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Old 05-15-2004, 12:59 PM   #1
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Manaus...Never have heard of this city until this past Tuesday (GL's No Hotel..May 11).. Now its in the news...

BRASILIA, Brazil -- Brazil's Globo television network is reporting that a plane carrying 30 passengers and three crew has crashed in the Amazon jungle.

Reports say the Rico Linhas Aereas flight crashed as it prepared to land at Manaus airport.

Local emergency services found the wreckage of the Embraer 120 Brasilia aircraft after a six-hour search in the tropical jungle near the Rio Negro River, a Rico Linhas spokeswoman told Reuters news agency.

"We know nothing yet on casualties, we're waiting," the airline spokeswoman added.

Emergency services also could give no reports on casualties or survivors.

The flight was en route to Manaus from Sao Paulo de Olivenca on the western edge of the Amazonas state, with stops in Tabatinga and Tefe, officials said.



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Old 05-15-2004, 12:59 PM   #2
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Manaus...Never have heard of this city until this past Tuesday (GL's No Hotel..May 11).. Now its in the news...

BRASILIA, Brazil -- Brazil's Globo television network is reporting that a plane carrying 30 passengers and three crew has crashed in the Amazon jungle.

Reports say the Rico Linhas Aereas flight crashed as it prepared to land at Manaus airport.

Local emergency services found the wreckage of the Embraer 120 Brasilia aircraft after a six-hour search in the tropical jungle near the Rio Negro River, a Rico Linhas spokeswoman told Reuters news agency.

"We know nothing yet on casualties, we're waiting," the airline spokeswoman added.

Emergency services also could give no reports on casualties or survivors.

The flight was en route to Manaus from Sao Paulo de Olivenca on the western edge of the Amazonas state, with stops in Tabatinga and Tefe, officials said.


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Old 05-16-2004, 04:10 PM   #3
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It's a shame about the crash, but at least we know where they should bury the survivors.




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quote:Originally posted by Wes Steele:
Manaus...Never have heard of this city until this past Tuesday (GL's No Hotel..May 11).. Now its in the news...

Well Wes I did try to start an earlier topic on Manaus so to keep things simple I will now post a few musings then go to my topic copy it and paste it here then delete the other topic


I have just spent an interesting hour googling for the name of the River where Gord claims in his spoken intro to The No Hotel he went to to meet Sting in 1989.To me it sounded like he met Sting on the "zing-du" river a "tributary of the Amazon" and he made it sound as though Manaus is the city where these two rivers meet. But I dare to suggest that this is a bit of geographical licence as the other river is in fact the Negro and the
the name XINGU (pronounced shin-goo') is indeed a tributary of the Amazon River that on hard to find on maps appears to be rather to the East of Manaus.
I had a job finding anything but recalled that one of the early products of the nascent Brazilion aircraft industry had a similar name and eventually found this picture of
Embraer EMB-121 Xingu (OO-SXA)

Xingu is also apparently a brand of Brazilian "Black Beer"

I also found an interesting illustrated Manaus site at:- http://www.viagensimagens.com/engl_manaus.htm
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Old 05-17-2004, 12:28 PM   #6
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quote:Originally posted by Wes Steele:
Manaus...Never have heard of this city until this past Tuesday (GL's No Hotel..May 11).. Now its in the news...

Well Wes I did try to start an earlier topic on Manaus so to keep things simple I will now post a few musings then go to my topic copy it and paste it here then delete the other topic


I have just spent an interesting hour googling for the name of the River where Gord claims in his spoken intro to The No Hotel he went to to meet Sting in 1989.To me it sounded like he met Sting on the "zing-du" river a "tributary of the Amazon" and he made it sound as though Manaus is the city where these two rivers meet. But I dare to suggest that this is a bit of geographical licence as the other river is in fact the Negro and the
the name XINGU (pronounced shin-goo') is indeed a tributary of the Amazon River that on hard to find on maps appears to be rather to the East of Manaus.
I had a job finding anything but recalled that one of the early products of the nascent Brazilion aircraft industry had a similar name and eventually found this picture of
Embraer EMB-121 Xingu (OO-SXA)

Xingu is also apparently a brand of Brazilian "Black Beer"

I also found an interesting illustrated Manaus site at:- http://www.viagensimagens.com/engl_manaus.htm
Warning loud embedded music
There geography and tourism lessons (now over)

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Old 05-17-2004, 12:42 PM   #7
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by johnfowles:
Well Wes I did try to start an earlier topic on Manaus so to keep things simple I will now post a few musings then go to my topic copy it and paste it here then delete the other topic
My topic had a solitary reply by no less than the "B" who said it was
"Prrrrrrrrrretty neat!"
Here follows my topic:-
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I expect a few of you might be intrigued by Gord's obvious enthusiasm for Manaus judging by the way he pronounces the city's name in the delighfful introduction to "The No Hotel"
I am fortunate to have read a simply splendid book about this place and the story of rubber
which reads very much like a novel. It is:-
The River That God Forgot
by Richard Collier
The Story of the Amazon Rubber Boom
illustrated with photographs
Thanks to the wonder of the fabulous OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program that came with my New HP scanner I can reproduce the blurb from the fly leafs of the book's dustjacket
"A thousand miles up the Amazon, surrounded by dense jungle, is the Brazilian city of Manaus. Today Manaus is a ghost town, but just fifty years ago, when the Brazilian rubber boom was at its height, this was a city more swinging than London, more opulent than Paris, more violent than the Barbary Coast. . . a city complete with museums, electric street-cars, and a two-million dollar opera house. Manaus, capital of the jungle state of Amazonas, was built by rubber, greed and slavery - and the tale of its rise and ruin is one of the most dramatic, little-known episodes of recent history.
This is the story that Richard Collier tells in The River That God Forgot. It begins in the early years of this century at a time when two-thirds of the entire world's rubber supply came from Manaus-and when each ton of latex exported cost seven native lives.
Even then the days of Brazil's rubber barons were numbered. In one of the greatest coups of commercial espionage in history - brillantly described here by Richard Collier-British officials had already succeeded in smuggling the precious rubber-tree seeds out of Brazil- and into Malaya. But before Far Eastern rubber could compete with Brazil's monopoly, the powerful kingdom of the Brazilian rubber millionaires was challenged by a daring young American engineer, Walter Ernest Hardenburg. When he learned of the atrocities committed by the rubber company of Julio Cesar Arana, Brazil's most ruthless rubber millionaire, Hardenburg could scarcely believe the tales of murder, rape, and forced prostitution - until he was taken prisoner by the rubber company and witnessed its savagery. From then on, Hardenburg dedicated his life to breaking the power of Arana's rubber empire, a crusade that reached its explosive climax in London in one of the tensest, most dramatic courtroom battles of all time."
I wonder if Gord has ever heard of this book
and hope that somone at EMP will read this and print it out for him to peruse
amongst the book's copious and interesting photographs is this one of a large hotel the "Not The No Hotel" I hasten to add

The 150-room Grand Hotel Internacional in Manaus was locally described as "the finest in Christendom."

Edited to correct no less than 4 stupid typos and to revise the picture filename after cropping it

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by johnfowles:
Well Wes I did try to start an earlier topic on Manaus so to keep things simple I will now post a few musings then go to my topic copy it and paste it here then delete the other topic
My topic had a solitary reply by no less than the "B" who said it was
"Prrrrrrrrrretty neat!"
Here follows my topic:-
---------------------------------------------
I expect a few of you might be intrigued by Gord's obvious enthusiasm for Manaus judging by the way he pronounces the city's name in the delighfful introduction to "The No Hotel"
I am fortunate to have read a simply splendid book about this place and the story of rubber
which reads very much like a novel. It is:-
The River That God Forgot
by Richard Collier
The Story of the Amazon Rubber Boom
illustrated with photographs
Thanks to the wonder of the fabulous OCR (Optical Character Recognition) program that came with my New HP scanner I can reproduce the blurb from the fly leafs of the book's dustjacket
"A thousand miles up the Amazon, surrounded by dense jungle, is the Brazilian city of Manaus. Today Manaus is a ghost town, but just fifty years ago, when the Brazilian rubber boom was at its height, this was a city more swinging than London, more opulent than Paris, more violent than the Barbary Coast. . . a city complete with museums, electric street-cars, and a two-million dollar opera house. Manaus, capital of the jungle state of Amazonas, was built by rubber, greed and slavery - and the tale of its rise and ruin is one of the most dramatic, little-known episodes of recent history.
This is the story that Richard Collier tells in The River That God Forgot. It begins in the early years of this century at a time when two-thirds of the entire world's rubber supply came from Manaus-and when each ton of latex exported cost seven native lives.
Even then the days of Brazil's rubber barons were numbered. In one of the greatest coups of commercial espionage in history - brillantly described here by Richard Collier-British officials had already succeeded in smuggling the precious rubber-tree seeds out of Brazil- and into Malaya. But before Far Eastern rubber could compete with Brazil's monopoly, the powerful kingdom of the Brazilian rubber millionaires was challenged by a daring young American engineer, Walter Ernest Hardenburg. When he learned of the atrocities committed by the rubber company of Julio Cesar Arana, Brazil's most ruthless rubber millionaire, Hardenburg could scarcely believe the tales of murder, rape, and forced prostitution - until he was taken prisoner by the rubber company and witnessed its savagery. From then on, Hardenburg dedicated his life to breaking the power of Arana's rubber empire, a crusade that reached its explosive climax in London in one of the tensest, most dramatic courtroom battles of all time."
I wonder if Gord has ever heard of this book
and hope that somone at EMP will read this and print it out for him to peruse
amongst the book's copious and interesting photographs is this one of a large hotel the "Not The No Hotel" I hasten to add

The 150-room Grand Hotel Internacional in Manaus was locally described as "the finest in Christendom."

Edited to correct no less than 4 stupid typos and to revise the picture filename after cropping it

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Old 05-17-2004, 07:55 PM   #9
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John,

Thank you for all the info. I love reading about different places that affected peoples lives, and the NoVoTel affected "someone" enough to get a song written about it, though not flattering...LOL

2/3 of the worlds rubber supply came from this area...WOW! Interesting stuff..

Loved reading it.

Thanks again John,

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Old 05-18-2004, 10:44 AM   #10
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quote:Originally posted by Wes Steele:
John,

Thank you for all the info. I love reading about different places that affected peoples lives, and the NoVoTel affected "someone" enough to get a song written about it, though not flattering...LOL

2/3 of the worlds rubber supply came from this area...WOW! Interesting stuff..

Loved reading it.

Thanks again John,

Wes



No No Wes you shouldn't believe all that you read in the papers.Yes I saw one of the Harmony reviews that mentioned the "Novotel" granted such a hotel exists in Manaus but I am sure that Gord is actually referring to the "Nobo" Hotel, and although it is hard to distinguish between a spoken "B" and a "V" I'm sure that at least once on stage Gord referred to "two letters" being burnt out leaving just "No Hotel". also Valerie in her report on Massey 2001 on her late lamented web site said "cheaper "2 Star" hotel named The Nobo Hotel, except that the B and O in "Nobo" were burned out so it was The No Hotel". and if I remember correctly she was sitting in the front row so should have heard the actual wording pretty well. And as a clincher I would say that the Novotel in Manaus would not likely be considered cheap enough for the impoverished churchman that Gord was helping out and moreover that a Novatel would likely take more care of its lighting.

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quote:Originally posted by Wes Steele:
John,

Thank you for all the info. I love reading about different places that affected peoples lives, and the NoVoTel affected "someone" enough to get a song written about it, though not flattering...LOL

2/3 of the worlds rubber supply came from this area...WOW! Interesting stuff..

Loved reading it.

Thanks again John,

Wes



No No Wes you shouldn't believe all that you read in the papers.Yes I saw one of the Harmony reviews that mentioned the "Novotel" granted such a hotel exists in Manaus but I am sure that Gord is actually referring to the "Nobo" Hotel, and although it is hard to distinguish between a spoken "B" and a "V" I'm sure that at least once on stage Gord referred to "two letters" being burnt out leaving just "No Hotel". also Valerie in her report on Massey 2001 on her late lamented web site said "cheaper "2 Star" hotel named The Nobo Hotel, except that the B and O in "Nobo" were burned out so it was The No Hotel". and if I remember correctly she was sitting in the front row so should have heard the actual wording pretty well. And as a clincher I would say that the Novotel in Manaus would not likely be considered cheap enough for the impoverished churchman that Gord was helping out and moreover that a Novatel would likely take more care of its lighting.

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quote:Originally posted by Wes Steele:
John,

Thank you for all the info. I love reading about different places that affected peoples lives, and the NoVoTel affected "someone" enough to get a song written about it, though not flattering...LOL

2/3 of the worlds rubber supply came from this area...WOW! Interesting stuff..

Loved reading it.

Thanks again John,

Wes


I am dteermined to get more reaction to this topic so herewith boys and girls today's History and English literature lessons:-
Having finished rereading The River That God Forgot I repeat that it is a splendid read and if you can find it on your local library do get it out. Not if you live in Toledo Oregon as my used copy obtained from an amazon.com associate used to be that library's copy!!
One interesting (to Me) bit of trivia, during the British Foreign office inquiries into the allegations of cruelty to the native Indians working as virtual (rubber baron) slaves on the Amazon the Consul General in Rio De Janeiro Roger Casement (later Sir) was attached to the Comission of Inquiry. Some years later Casement was convicted of treason for his part in the 1916 Irish Easter uprising. Now it so happens that on Easter Monday 1916, the Irish tricolor flag was raised over the General Post Office in the heart of Dublin

and at the time the head of the irish postal service was the father of one of my all time favo(u)rite authors
Nevil Shute
And my other favo(u)rite?? why....
John fowles of course!!!

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quote:Originally posted by Wes Steele:
John,

Thank you for all the info. I love reading about different places that affected peoples lives, and the NoVoTel affected "someone" enough to get a song written about it, though not flattering...LOL

2/3 of the worlds rubber supply came from this area...WOW! Interesting stuff..

Loved reading it.

Thanks again John,

Wes


I am dteermined to get more reaction to this topic so herewith boys and girls today's History and English literature lessons:-
Having finished rereading The River That God Forgot I repeat that it is a splendid read and if you can find it on your local library do get it out. Not if you live in Toledo Oregon as my used copy obtained from an amazon.com associate used to be that library's copy!!
One interesting (to Me) bit of trivia, during the British Foreign office inquiries into the allegations of cruelty to the native Indians working as virtual (rubber baron) slaves on the Amazon the Consul General in Rio De Janeiro Roger Casement (later Sir) was attached to the Comission of Inquiry. Some years later Casement was convicted of treason for his part in the 1916 Irish Easter uprising. Now it so happens that on Easter Monday 1916, the Irish tricolor flag was raised over the General Post Office in the heart of Dublin

and at the time the head of the irish postal service was the father of one of my all time favo(u)rite authors
Nevil Shute
And my other favo(u)rite?? why....
John fowles of course!!!

Edited to change Post Office picture to one showing the Irish tricolour in its first showing over the post office
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Despite the lack of reaction to my previous epistles on this subject.I have just found something else that just might be of interest
So will post again.
I was googling for "sting" and "suzuki" and was led to this recently ended auction on Ebay Australia of all places
there is mention of the Rainforest Foundation which Gord was in Brazil for in 1989 to meet up with sting:- http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....213504192&rd=1

I am wondering if Shazia a.k.a. trudiewannabe has heard of this book (nice cover) and if so does he perhaps mention Gord in it???

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Despite the lack of reaction to my previous epistles on this subject.I have just found something else that just might be of interest
So will post again.
I was googling for "sting" and "suzuki" and was led to this recently ended auction on Ebay Australia of all places
there is mention of the Rainforest Foundation which Gord was in Brazil for in 1989 to meet up with sting:- http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....213504192&rd=1

I am wondering if Shazia a.k.a. trudiewannabe has heard of this book (nice cover) and if so does he perhaps mention Gord in it???

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