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Old 10-24-2008, 07:30 AM   #1
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Old 10-25-2008, 05:34 PM   #2
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Jesse Joe, thank you for posting that....I had never seen that particular video before, including the part with the actual news report. I think that was Harry Reasoner if I'm not mistaken?

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Old 10-25-2008, 05:44 PM   #3
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Very good Steve, I dont know who the newsman is myself.
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Old 11-09-2008, 03:31 PM   #4
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Default Re: She was very big that "FITZGERALD" !

Just poting here so we don't have to start another "Fitz" topic.

Here's to the 29 men who perished 33 years ago on (tomorrow) Nov. 10th,1975 and their families & descendents.
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Old 11-09-2008, 03:41 PM   #5
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Already 33 years...

Thanks for the reminder Borderstone, I dont always think of the date every year that it actually happened.
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Old 11-09-2008, 05:56 PM   #6
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that was Harry Reasoner doing the reporting...
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Old 11-09-2008, 09:05 PM   #7
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Yes Like Char said - concurrence - that was Harry Reasoner, but Jesse that video hit closer to home for me than ever for two reasons - whenever I hear that radio transmission from the other ship that had her in her sites, I get the shiver down my spine..AND FOR THE FIRST time I noticed that one young man - Bruce Hudson -was from my childhood home North Olmsted, Ohio - a suburb west edge of developed Cleveland before ag lands.

He likely was a Senior in my High School when I was a Freshman, as
he was 3 yrs older than me in '76. I thought the family name Hudson sounded familiar - he may have had sisters and brothers nearer my age. I'd go and check in CLassmates.com at the freeby level - but all the da88 spam from them...that breaks thru my spam blocker - they are relentless.

Somehow it feels even closer to home now. Cleveland rarely makes it in songs.....lol..interesting to note that perhaps one of Gord's 3 biggest and.or noteworthy songs- The Wreck - named Cleveland, another originally 'Hold The Hands I love' late renamed we all know 'SFAWN' - written in CLEVELAND, and his debut in the 'la Cave' was in Cleveland - I guess by a boring concept (to most) called (the mapping) proximal/density-corrolation' - what with Cleveland right across Lake EErie (sic), from Ontario makes its name prolific almost out of common sense alone.

And, I was surprised at the large number of men from Ohio. I shouldn't be, but I sure must have been tied up with sports and dating to not hear.....no I duhh I know why....we moved west in '75 to Colorado, so it would no longer have ben 'local' huge news, but Reasoner was a network broadcast - the "Reasoner Report' if I remember right. Should have been broadcast in Colorado,too, probably was, and I was out cavorting...Man do I feel bad now... Major footage, Jesse - thank you.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:27 PM   #8
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Very good Geo Steve, It's a small world eh !
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:09 AM   #9
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and yet another terrific find for Jesse Joe!
33 years already? just don't seem right! Math is cruel sometimes...
thanks for posting this.
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:25 AM   #10
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Although the day belongs to the 'Big Fitz', perhaps we can take this day to also remember the other maritime disaster that Gord sang about - The Yarmouth Castle.


Burning Of The Yarmouth Castle

By James Donahue

An incompetent skipper and cowardly crew was blamed for the deaths of about a 100 passengers and crew members when the cruise ship Yarmouth Castle burned during a Caribbean cruise on Nov. 13, 1965.

The fire that started around 1 a.m. in one of the cabins quickly spread through the wooden superstructure of the 39-year-old vessel, forcing 373 passengers and 174 crew members in a battle for their lives.

The liner, commanded by Capt. Byron Vatsounas, was in the midst of its regular New York-to-Nassau run when crew members smelled smoke and began a search of the decks. It was first noticed when a crew member in the engine room caught a wisp of smoke and reported it to the Chief Engineer. The engineer, without contacting the bridge, conducted an unsuccessful search of the galley, pantry and bakeshop areas.

He met a night cleaner in the main entrance lobby who said he also noticed smoke in the menís toilet on the promenade deck, just above cabin 610. When they went forward to investigate, they found the cabin ablaze. The bridge was then notified and the night cleaner went aft to wake up the crew.

The chief engineer ran out fire hoses and personally fought the fire. Later he turned the job over to crew members while he ran back to the engine room to turn off the mechanical ventilation system. He thought the vent was feeding oxygen to the fire.

The captain failed to sound a general alarm, but the sleeping passengers were quickly becoming aware of the fact that something was very wrong. Crew members were running down the long corridors, banging on doors and sounding an alarm. Other people, trapped in cabins by smoke and flame, were being rescued by crew members who broke open their windows and, for those who were thin enough, pulling them through portholes. People were shouting and screaming as they discovered the danger and raced through smoke-filled hallways to doorways to the deck.

The fire raced through the ship that morning because its 39-year-old wooden superstructure, extra dry from years of steaming under a tropical sun, and saturated after years of being covered and recovered with oil-based paints, were a perfect fuel.

Crew members found that many of the linerís life boats, which were not kept in good condition, were literally frozen by layers of paint to the davits. Because Captain Vatsounas believed the fire could be contained, he failed to tell his radio operator to send an S.O.S. By the time he realized the need it was too late. The fire had spread to the radio room.

Fortunately, the Yarmouth Castle was in a regular shipping lane and other vessels were close enough to see the glow from the fire in the night sky. The liner Bahama Star and a cargo ship, the Finnpulp, both arrived in time to save about 450 lives.

The Bahama Star no sooner arrived on the scene when a raft from the burning liner drew alongside. From that raft stepped Capt. Vatsounas and other officers. That the captain left his burning ship while passengers were still aboard and fighting for their lives so angered the crew of the Star they locked him in the captainís quarters.

Witnesses said the Yarmouth Castle was by then a raging inferno, burning from amidships with the fire spreading both fore and aft. The heat was estimated at about 2000 degrees. It was so hot that the paint on the funnel of the Bahama Star started to burn. Somebody on the Star used a home movie camera to get pictures that showed outlines of people running around on the burning ship, trying desperately to escape the flames.

Both the passengers and crew of the Bahama Star were touted as heroes by the newspapers of that day. They not only sent lifeboats into the water to pull swimmers to safety, but many passengers gave up their cabins so the injured survivors had a place to be tended to.

The Finnpulp, which arrived later, also sent skiffs and boats with powerful lights to search the waters around the burning liner for survivors.

The Yarmouth Castle keeled over to port and sank at about 6 a.m., about five hours after the fire was first noticed. It sank in about 1,800 feet of water.

During an inquiry that followed, Captain Vatsounas was charged with gross incompetence, negligence and manslaughter. Cruise Operator W. R. Lovett was charged with improper maintenance of the ship.

The board of inquiry determined that poor wiring, improper storage of combustible materials, and poor maintenance of rescue equipment were all factors in the disaster. Also, the crew had failed to perform safety drills, and the crew members were never trained to use the fire-fighting equipment.

The disaster led to the creation of the SOLAS rules requiring ships at sea to meet certain international safety requirements. No longer would new ships be built with wooden superstructures. Also safety equipment would be inspected and crews would be trained to use it. Also routine safety drills were required.

The SOLAS rules are still being practiced today.

Video Below has Caption: This song predates The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald but is a true story of the loss of the SS Yarmouth Castle at sea off Miami in 1965. (Video set to Gord's tune 'The Ballad Of The Yarmouth Castle'.

http://ca.video.yahoo.com/watch/161089/1087280
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:42 PM   #11
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An incompetent skipper and cowardly crew !

I always did like this Ballad Of The Yarmouth Castle, that could only have been written by the genius that Mr. Lightfoot is.

Thanks for that post of this marvelous GEM, Yuri.
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:36 PM   #12
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Switching topic back to the Fitz...
we happened to be talking about the Edmund Fitzgerald at work last week. As fate would have it, it was the day before the anniversary (no one knew this of course). In any case, (and would you believe it, they had The Wreck on iTunes and playing away as we chatted... I didn't have to break out my copy!). One of my associates, Pat, happened to have visited the Whitefish Point Shipwreck Museum this past year and shared some photos that I'll post below, along with a link to the museum's web site.
The photos include a shot of the ship's bell, a couple of shots of a model/replica (note the life preserver on display behind the model).
An additional wierd twist of fate. the SS Arthur M Anderson was sailing past that same day, so there is a snap shot of that as well.
Too many strange coincidences, maybe we should have been playing the Twilight Zone theme song instead!!!
I hope you enjoy the pictures...

http://www.shipwreckmuseum.com/

Photos by Pat Hochstein
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Although the day belongs to the 'Big Fitz', perhaps we can take this day to also remember the other maritime disaster that Gord sang about - The Yarmouth Castle.
Great story Yuri, thanks for posting!
Great tune, too!
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