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Old 03-16-2003, 05:05 PM   #26
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Like most of Lightfoot's songs, this song transends the true meaning of the title. In other words, it's one of those songs that has a special meaning to each listener. When I listen to it, my mind grows back to the winters in Detroit where I grew up. My personal opinion of the song is, there are many things in life we don't have control over, and you must accept that and move on. This comes through in the line "The room is chilly, the building is old, that's how it goes." It's almost an "Oh well. . " attitude towards the situation.
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Old 03-16-2003, 05:05 PM   #27
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Like most of Lightfoot's songs, this song transends the true meaning of the title. In other words, it's one of those songs that has a special meaning to each listener. When I listen to it, my mind grows back to the winters in Detroit where I grew up. My personal opinion of the song is, there are many things in life we don't have control over, and you must accept that and move on. This comes through in the line "The room is chilly, the building is old, that's how it goes." It's almost an "Oh well. . " attitude towards the situation.
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Old 03-17-2003, 10:36 AM   #28
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yooper you really are absolutely right on that target. seems like a lot of GL music affects us the same way. the list goes on and on but, circle of steelit has a quality to move people that goes beyond most. I appreciate your comment.
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Old 03-17-2003, 10:36 AM   #29
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yooper you really are absolutely right on that target. seems like a lot of GL music affects us the same way. the list goes on and on but, circle of steelit has a quality to move people that goes beyond most. I appreciate your comment.
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"Rows of lights in a circle of steel",
would be the view of a city, from an airplane, at night. (IMHO) The "great big wheel" is life.

when the wild majestic mountains stood alone against the sun...
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"Rows of lights in a circle of steel",
would be the view of a city, from an airplane, at night. (IMHO) The "great big wheel" is life.

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Old 09-11-2004, 09:11 PM   #32
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I really like Circle Of Steel, although I don't get some of the lyrics. I'm not really fond of Too Many Clues In This Room, although I am a bit mystified. That song is just plain WEIRD.
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Old 09-11-2004, 09:11 PM   #33
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I really like Circle Of Steel, although I don't get some of the lyrics. I'm not really fond of Too Many Clues In This Room, although I am a bit mystified. That song is just plain WEIRD.
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I always thought of it as an artificial tree with rows of lights...
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Old 07-08-2005, 09:44 AM   #35
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Hey all, Gord's appearance at Live 8 prompted me to reacquaint myself with his music. I always loved this tune and wondered what it meant. I stumbled on this thread through a Google search. I know its an old thread but I'd like to throw in my two cents.

Circle of Steel is a song of hope.

Lightfoot bookends the song with the "rows of lights" verse. Also the song takes it's title from this section so clearly it is important and understanding it is key to understanding the song. But notice how vague it is in comparison with the rest of the verses. I submit that Lightfoot does this on purpose. His point: What is suggested in this verse is more important than what it actually "means". This verse is all about mileau, setting and theme. Consider the line "a time you know". Its like Lightfoot is saying, "Come on, do I need to paint you a picture here? You know what I'm talking about." If I'm right about that then focusing too closely will cause you to miss the meaning. It's a 'big picture' sort of thing. To equate the "great big wheel" with a roulette wheel makes that mistake.

What this verse suggests is a city setting. I like Jimmie Will's take that the "rows of lights in a circle of steel" is the view of a city from an airplane" .... follow me on this.

It is Christmas Eve 1972. Gordon has been doing music for over 10 years by now and he's experienced sucess. His travels have taken him to many places and he's seen just about everything there is to see. On the cab ride to the airport they had to go through the "low income" district followed by (or preceded by) the "shopper's district" as well. Gord's mind begins churning over this odd juxtaposition of settings against a Christmas backdrop.

He gets on the plane and it takes off and his eyes wander out the window and try to locate the low-rent high-rises his cab had passed by. He notices the streetlights make relatively straight lines in spoke-like fashion from the center of the city and it hits him ... "rows of lights in a circle of ..."

Its "steel" not concrete. Life is hard. Life is unbending and cold. Concrete is to obvious in this context. If you ask the people in those high-rises life is like steel, not concrete. And its not only hard but its a bit of a crap shoot. He had just seen wealth within a half mile of poverty. What seperates the denizens of one building from another other than cruel fate? And possibly bad choices (which are like 'gambles')? He moves on to the body of the song.

The body of the song (verse 2, 3 and 4) is not a series of vignettes. It is one thread (Albeit one thread with overtones). He paints a picture of a child (not a boy or girl but a "child"), born to a poor family, right around Christmas time. A family where the father is 'absent'. Now people, come on ... "a time you know" ... poor mother .. child born in humble situation .. at CHRISTMAS ... clearly there are Christian overtones here. But more on that later.

Notice that the mother appears to deliver the child in her apartment (where the rats run around) and if its not actually on Christmas Eve it is certainly close because we have this sense that "everyone is in step with the season" from the intro. Apparently that includes the doctor who comes and goes on the double. A little commentary on the pace of the holiday season there? I argue that the doctor was there to deliver the kid and it was indeed Christmas Eve. Doctor's don't make house calls to low rent housing for a "bad cough" and I assume it was the doctor's proclamation that "the child is strong". WHo else would say it? So a kid is born on December 24th to a mother so poor that she could not get to the hospital ... either that or she was so drunk that she did not want to get in trouble at the hospital for drinking excessively while pregnant.

How does she and her child spend the rest of their Christmas Eve? She drinks an entire bottle of gin (or finishes it) as her neighbors (who are normally shouting at one another all day and night) are singing a Christmas carol. Depending on your perspective this is either a sarcastic line or a hopeful line. Still no mention of the father but we begin to suspect why this woman drinks so heavily.

The next morning is Christmas. She awakes with a hangover as the sunlight plays on an heirloom cup she has. She considers the cup and considers the promise that life held at one point and is reminded of how she got where she is. They didn't always live there. They had a future that is now only a memory symbolized by this cup. She grabs her baby and tells it about the father. Apparently the father was too proud to accept welfare adn sohe took matters into his own hands. What sort of crime gains you three years? Armed robbery maybe? Clearly its not murder. So here you have the bad choices. His was to first let his pride get in the way and second to commit the crime. Hers was to hitch-up with the wrong guy. Who's to sat that she wouldn't be on the other side of the tracks had the great big wheel hitched her up with someone else.

We see a hint of the child's future as well in the previous verse. It will be in and out of state care because of the notriety of the mother's behavior. She is not a casual drunk. That's why I mentioned the idea that the mother was afraid to go the hospital.

So, why would I say that this is a song of hope? Because "the child is strong". Despite its "weak" parents, despite its surroundings the child is strong. Considering the loose parallel between this child and Christ there is no other way to read the story here. Poverty is not genetic. And whereas life can be cold and difficult there is always the potential of beauty from ashes. Especially at the Christmas time of the year. Inevitably when the present is difficult we tend to consider the past and the future much more readily. So Lightfoot transitions back to the first verse and strangely this time when we hear it we are left with a strong sense of potential rather than actual. And it is a sense of potential than does not ignore the actual but rather acknowledges and overcomes it. That, my friends, is the definition of hope.
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Hey all, Gord's appearance at Live 8 prompted me to reacquaint myself with his music. I always loved this tune and wondered what it meant. I stumbled on this thread through a Google search. I know its an old thread but I'd like to throw in my two cents.

Circle of Steel is a song of hope.

Lightfoot bookends the song with the "rows of lights" verse. Also the song takes it's title from this section so clearly it is important and understanding it is key to understanding the song. But notice how vague it is in comparison with the rest of the verses. I submit that Lightfoot does this on purpose. His point: What is suggested in this verse is more important than what it actually "means". This verse is all about mileau, setting and theme. Consider the line "a time you know". Its like Lightfoot is saying, "Come on, do I need to paint you a picture here? You know what I'm talking about." If I'm right about that then focusing too closely will cause you to miss the meaning. It's a 'big picture' sort of thing. To equate the "great big wheel" with a roulette wheel makes that mistake.

What this verse suggests is a city setting. I like Jimmie Will's take that the "rows of lights in a circle of steel" is the view of a city from an airplane" .... follow me on this.

It is Christmas Eve 1972. Gordon has been doing music for over 10 years by now and he's experienced sucess. His travels have taken him to many places and he's seen just about everything there is to see. On the cab ride to the airport they had to go through the "low income" district followed by (or preceded by) the "shopper's district" as well. Gord's mind begins churning over this odd juxtaposition of settings against a Christmas backdrop.

He gets on the plane and it takes off and his eyes wander out the window and try to locate the low-rent high-rises his cab had passed by. He notices the streetlights make relatively straight lines in spoke-like fashion from the center of the city and it hits him ... "rows of lights in a circle of ..."

Its "steel" not concrete. Life is hard. Life is unbending and cold. Concrete is to obvious in this context. If you ask the people in those high-rises life is like steel, not concrete. And its not only hard but its a bit of a crap shoot. He had just seen wealth within a half mile of poverty. What seperates the denizens of one building from another other than cruel fate? And possibly bad choices (which are like 'gambles')? He moves on to the body of the song.

The body of the song (verse 2, 3 and 4) is not a series of vignettes. It is one thread (Albeit one thread with overtones). He paints a picture of a child (not a boy or girl but a "child"), born to a poor family, right around Christmas time. A family where the father is 'absent'. Now people, come on ... "a time you know" ... poor mother .. child born in humble situation .. at CHRISTMAS ... clearly there are Christian overtones here. But more on that later.

Notice that the mother appears to deliver the child in her apartment (where the rats run around) and if its not actually on Christmas Eve it is certainly close because we have this sense that "everyone is in step with the season" from the intro. Apparently that includes the doctor who comes and goes on the double. A little commentary on the pace of the holiday season there? I argue that the doctor was there to deliver the kid and it was indeed Christmas Eve. Doctor's don't make house calls to low rent housing for a "bad cough" and I assume it was the doctor's proclamation that "the child is strong". WHo else would say it? So a kid is born on December 24th to a mother so poor that she could not get to the hospital ... either that or she was so drunk that she did not want to get in trouble at the hospital for drinking excessively while pregnant.

How does she and her child spend the rest of their Christmas Eve? She drinks an entire bottle of gin (or finishes it) as her neighbors (who are normally shouting at one another all day and night) are singing a Christmas carol. Depending on your perspective this is either a sarcastic line or a hopeful line. Still no mention of the father but we begin to suspect why this woman drinks so heavily.

The next morning is Christmas. She awakes with a hangover as the sunlight plays on an heirloom cup she has. She considers the cup and considers the promise that life held at one point and is reminded of how she got where she is. They didn't always live there. They had a future that is now only a memory symbolized by this cup. She grabs her baby and tells it about the father. Apparently the father was too proud to accept welfare adn sohe took matters into his own hands. What sort of crime gains you three years? Armed robbery maybe? Clearly its not murder. So here you have the bad choices. His was to first let his pride get in the way and second to commit the crime. Hers was to hitch-up with the wrong guy. Who's to sat that she wouldn't be on the other side of the tracks had the great big wheel hitched her up with someone else.

We see a hint of the child's future as well in the previous verse. It will be in and out of state care because of the notriety of the mother's behavior. She is not a casual drunk. That's why I mentioned the idea that the mother was afraid to go the hospital.

So, why would I say that this is a song of hope? Because "the child is strong". Despite its "weak" parents, despite its surroundings the child is strong. Considering the loose parallel between this child and Christ there is no other way to read the story here. Poverty is not genetic. And whereas life can be cold and difficult there is always the potential of beauty from ashes. Especially at the Christmas time of the year. Inevitably when the present is difficult we tend to consider the past and the future much more readily. So Lightfoot transitions back to the first verse and strangely this time when we hear it we are left with a strong sense of potential rather than actual. And it is a sense of potential than does not ignore the actual but rather acknowledges and overcomes it. That, my friends, is the definition of hope.
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Just where is the Charlady/moderator??
can "tranny" obviously a moniker for a transvestite be banned and that peurile posting be deleted pronto!!
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Just where is the Charlady/moderator??
can "tranny" obviously a moniker for a transvestite be banned and that peurile posting be deleted pronto!!
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can "tranny" obviously a moniker for a transvestite be banned and that peurile posting be deleted pronto!!
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Thank you dear Char for acting so decisively and with alacrity
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Thank you dear Char for acting so decisively and with alacrity
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Old 12-24-2005, 11:45 AM   #41
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I must have missed the "Tranny".
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Old 01-02-2006, 11:49 PM   #42
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For some reason, the title "Circle Of Steel" reminds me of a slave's collar. Or a wedding band.

Don't know why...
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I could see it being a wedding band, but mine didn't have rows of lights on it.
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Old 01-13-2006, 03:05 PM   #44
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I am tingling with anticipation at the possibility of procuring Viagra online. :D
AAAHHHH! My fingers have gone hard as rocks on the keyboard . Even reading about the stuff has a nasty side effect!

I harbour some reservations about relevance to the thread specifically.
Although the reaction to some of Gord's music seems to have something of a Viagra like effect on them...

Possibly you could delete that post (this one too if you want) pls MODS ?
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Old 02-16-2007, 05:49 PM   #45
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To redundantman:

I did find that commentary to be insightful. However, I think, at least at the first level, the name "Circle of Steel" is literal: he is talking about a gambling device. However, that game is not Roulette. Rather, it is a game often (in the not too distant past) found in slums and even in casinos: Wheel of Fortune (sometimes known as the Big Six Wheel). See this link:

http://www.cateringbydeangelos.com/i...of_fortune.jpg
( or use <http://i15.tinypic.com/2nhotnc.jpg> if that wraps too much)

This game would have been VERY familiar to less fortunate people 30 years ago. This is the game from which came the expression: "Round and round it goes and where it stops nobody knows."

So, what does this game typically have? Rows of lights, and a circle of steel. Small rows of lights run along each steel wire that extends from the center to the outside edge. The wire is tied to a nail at the outside edge.

This wheel is mounted vertically, so that it faces you. A playing card is often used as the pointer to show the winner. The wheel spins; as it does, it clicks through each row until the wheel finally stops. A circle of steel wire runs around the outside of the wheel -- originally to provide support to hold the wheel together.

So, with that background, at least at the first level, the song can be seen literally:

"Rows of light in a circle of steel
where you place your bets on a great big wheel.
High windows flickering down through the snow."

The flickering is the clicking of the card as the wheel spins (Round and round and round it goes. And where it stops, nobody knows).

Here, the song becomes an allegory:

"A time you know.
Sights and sounds of the people goin’ ’round
Everybody’s in step with the season."

This speaks to the life experience of most of his audience. Most people who listen to GL would understand that he is talking about Christmas time. (We don't know it yet, but we won that particular lottery.)

GL then examines the other end of the spectrum: most people who play the Big Six Wheel lose. The house has a significant edge.

"A child is born to a welfare case,
Where the rats run around like they own the place
The room is chilly, the building is old
That’s how it goes
The doctor’s found on his welfare round
And he comes and he leaves on the double"

The doctor spends exactly the amount of time he must, and does not stay a second longer. The doctor would obviously be one of the privileged; he is probably disgusted by what he sees: the mother, this infant that has little chance, the rats, the mess, the smell. The site would be revolting. The next stanza makes it clear that she will not have the "child" very long ("A week, a day, they will take it away..."). This is not a pretty picture.

The father is "servin' 3 years" because of his pride. We don't know more about him, although we can guess that he stole something as "his means to provide" and was caught in the process.

Finally, GL returns to the literal: a Wheel of Fortune. In that game, there are many losers and fewer winners. This is where it becomes clear that this is an allegory about life.

"Rows of lights in a circle of steel
Where you place your bets on a great big wheel"

However, juxtaposed to the previous image, the following lyrics have a different connotation:

"High windows flickerin’ down through the snow,
A time you know,
Sights and sounds of the people goin’ ’round,
Everybody’s in step with the season."

Outside that cold, smelly, dirty apartment, people are hustling and bustling about. What do we see? We see everyone hurrying to buy their last minute gifts. We hear people singing in the streets. We see the light from the high windows flickering off the snow. This is a truly beautiful image. And, we are once again unaware of the scene inside those windows.
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To redundantman:

I did find that commentary to be insightful. However, I think, at least at the first level, the name "Circle of Steel" is literal: he is talking about a gambling device. However, that game is not Roulette. Rather, it is a game often (in the not too distant past) found in slums and even in casinos: Wheel of Fortune (sometimes known as the Big Six Wheel). See this link:

http://www.cateringbydeangelos.com/i...of_fortune.jpg
( or use <http://i15.tinypic.com/2nhotnc.jpg> if that wraps too much)

This game would have been VERY familiar to less fortunate people 30 years ago. This is the game from which came the expression: "Round and round it goes and where it stops nobody knows."

So, what does this game typically have? Rows of lights, and a circle of steel. Small rows of lights run along each steel wire that extends from the center to the outside edge. The wire is tied to a nail at the outside edge.

This wheel is mounted vertically, so that it faces you. A playing card is often used as the pointer to show the winner. The wheel spins; as it does, it clicks through each row until the wheel finally stops. A circle of steel wire runs around the outside of the wheel -- originally to provide support to hold the wheel together.

So, with that background, at least at the first level, the song can be seen literally:

"Rows of light in a circle of steel
where you place your bets on a great big wheel.
High windows flickering down through the snow."

The flickering is the clicking of the card as the wheel spins (Round and round and round it goes. And where it stops, nobody knows).

Here, the song becomes an allegory:

"A time you know.
Sights and sounds of the people goin’ ’round
Everybody’s in step with the season."

This speaks to the life experience of most of his audience. Most people who listen to GL would understand that he is talking about Christmas time. (We don't know it yet, but we won that particular lottery.)

GL then examines the other end of the spectrum: most people who play the Big Six Wheel lose. The house has a significant edge.

"A child is born to a welfare case,
Where the rats run around like they own the place
The room is chilly, the building is old
That’s how it goes
The doctor’s found on his welfare round
And he comes and he leaves on the double"

The doctor spends exactly the amount of time he must, and does not stay a second longer. The doctor would obviously be one of the privileged; he is probably disgusted by what he sees: the mother, this infant that has little chance, the rats, the mess, the smell. The site would be revolting. The next stanza makes it clear that she will not have the "child" very long ("A week, a day, they will take it away..."). This is not a pretty picture.

The father is "servin' 3 years" because of his pride. We don't know more about him, although we can guess that he stole something as "his means to provide" and was caught in the process.

Finally, GL returns to the literal: a Wheel of Fortune. In that game, there are many losers and fewer winners. This is where it becomes clear that this is an allegory about life.

"Rows of lights in a circle of steel
Where you place your bets on a great big wheel"

However, juxtaposed to the previous image, the following lyrics have a different connotation:

"High windows flickerin’ down through the snow,
A time you know,
Sights and sounds of the people goin’ ’round,
Everybody’s in step with the season."

Outside that cold, smelly, dirty apartment, people are hustling and bustling about. What do we see? We see everyone hurrying to buy their last minute gifts. We hear people singing in the streets. We see the light from the high windows flickering off the snow. This is a truly beautiful image. And, we are once again unaware of the scene inside those windows.
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At first I too thought of a roulette wheel but since Gordon seems to speak metaphorically so much I thought that this image was just an analogy for life and the gambles/choices we make everyday.
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Wow. Haven't seen or thought of this topic in a long while!

I just read my answer from the very date that I finally registered as a memeber. I still have that vision of the Circle Of Steel even 4 years later.

Wow,four years (officially) on the 28th. Can you believe it? I snooped around her for a good month or two first,a bit "chicken" to register. :D
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Wow B, four years. amazing.....has been great!
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