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Old 06-19-2005, 05:49 AM   #26
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He chose Sharon for the plains and valley of Sharon, north of Tel-Aviv, where he was born and raised.

Erica,

Thank you for that info. I'd not known. But, I sure do understand. I've seen those plains and that valley come to life in my own eyes.

I've had the privilege of visiting Israel a number of times as Worship Leader w/ Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.

It's often difficult for folks to understand the deep bond w/ The Land - the literal land - of those whose hearts were born there.

As much as I love the land of Colorado and America - my native land - it's different in Israel. Where that literal land joins a soul w/ almost literal roots.

I'd read Leon Uris 'Exodus', seen the Paul Newman movie, sung it's marvelous theme - taking the lyric for granted - read The Bible and knew the names of the places. But, not until I touched that land, did I begin to get a grasp of the depth.

Each time I returned, the grasping grew. I didn't visit Jeruselem. I went "up to Jeruselem." I'd heard that phrase so many times, but didn't get it until I stood on Mt. Scopus for the first time.

Enough Rez. See what reverie you've stirred, Erica. Blessings and thank you.

The Rez

. . . let us break bread together on our knees
...And thank you Rez, for that wonderful post. I could go on for hours about what you've said, but unfortunately, I have to finish getting ready for work, so most of it will have to wait.
I appreciate the way you described the connection to Israel as for those whose "hearts were born there". Sadly, Ive not yet been to Israel, but I feel it in my heart and my soul every day. Its a part of me, even when I didn't realize it was, its always been there. I think that when I do finally go there, to visit, or maybe even to live, it'll be so overwhelming that I won't be able to bear it. You mentioned "going up"to Jerusalem. You've probably heard the term "making alliyah", which is the Hebrew term for when a Jewish person immigrates to Israel. The term "alliyah" means to ascend, and when someone moves to Israel, they aren't just immigrating, but "going UP" to it. But you probably already knew that
You've mentioned the wonderful theme song to Exodus...i'm sure you've also heard the Israeli National anthem...HaTikva, which means the hope..and the equally beautiful Yerushalyim Shel Zahav. I think I might have mentioned that once in the fifth grade, at the end of a holocaust memorial presentation our class gave, we sang HaTikva and it was so amazing to realize it in that context, just like it will be the first time I get to sing it in the land that it is about. And now that you've been to Jerusalem, don't the lyrics to Yerushalyim shel zahav resonate all the more?..."The mountain air is clear as wine
And the scent of pines
Is carried on the breeze of twilight
With the sound of bells.

And in the slumber of tree and stone
Captured in her dream
The city that sits solitary
And in its midst is a wall.

Jerusalem of gold, and of bronze, and of light
Behold I am a violin for all your songs..."

The song was written in 1967, before the 6 day war, before the reunification of Jerusalem, and like HaTikva, speaks of a yearning, as well as a love for the land. It breaks my heart that there are those who are still trying to split the city and take the land..those that pray with their backs to Jerusalem,who have thousands of miles of their own land, those who's holy book never ONCE mentions the name of Jerusalem, who dare to claim Israel and Jerusalem belongs to them. Kind of reminds one of the false mother in the tale about Solomon's wisdom. She didn't care for the child, she only wanted the TRUE mother not to have it, so she was all too willing to have it cut in two. Its good that that Israel has supporters like you, Rez, who know the truth of who the land belongs to.
Wow, this was supposed to be a short post! Well, I really must go now..and again, thank you Rez..for your wonderful words about a wonderful land.
Erica

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Old 06-19-2005, 05:49 AM   #27
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Originally posted by The Rez:
He chose Sharon for the plains and valley of Sharon, north of Tel-Aviv, where he was born and raised.

Erica,

Thank you for that info. I'd not known. But, I sure do understand. I've seen those plains and that valley come to life in my own eyes.

I've had the privilege of visiting Israel a number of times as Worship Leader w/ Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.

It's often difficult for folks to understand the deep bond w/ The Land - the literal land - of those whose hearts were born there.

As much as I love the land of Colorado and America - my native land - it's different in Israel. Where that literal land joins a soul w/ almost literal roots.

I'd read Leon Uris 'Exodus', seen the Paul Newman movie, sung it's marvelous theme - taking the lyric for granted - read The Bible and knew the names of the places. But, not until I touched that land, did I begin to get a grasp of the depth.

Each time I returned, the grasping grew. I didn't visit Jeruselem. I went "up to Jeruselem." I'd heard that phrase so many times, but didn't get it until I stood on Mt. Scopus for the first time.

Enough Rez. See what reverie you've stirred, Erica. Blessings and thank you.

The Rez

. . . let us break bread together on our knees
...And thank you Rez, for that wonderful post. I could go on for hours about what you've said, but unfortunately, I have to finish getting ready for work, so most of it will have to wait.
I appreciate the way you described the connection to Israel as for those whose "hearts were born there". Sadly, Ive not yet been to Israel, but I feel it in my heart and my soul every day. Its a part of me, even when I didn't realize it was, its always been there. I think that when I do finally go there, to visit, or maybe even to live, it'll be so overwhelming that I won't be able to bear it. You mentioned "going up"to Jerusalem. You've probably heard the term "making alliyah", which is the Hebrew term for when a Jewish person immigrates to Israel. The term "alliyah" means to ascend, and when someone moves to Israel, they aren't just immigrating, but "going UP" to it. But you probably already knew that
You've mentioned the wonderful theme song to Exodus...i'm sure you've also heard the Israeli National anthem...HaTikva, which means the hope..and the equally beautiful Yerushalyim Shel Zahav. I think I might have mentioned that once in the fifth grade, at the end of a holocaust memorial presentation our class gave, we sang HaTikva and it was so amazing to realize it in that context, just like it will be the first time I get to sing it in the land that it is about. And now that you've been to Jerusalem, don't the lyrics to Yerushalyim shel zahav resonate all the more?..."The mountain air is clear as wine
And the scent of pines
Is carried on the breeze of twilight
With the sound of bells.

And in the slumber of tree and stone
Captured in her dream
The city that sits solitary
And in its midst is a wall.

Jerusalem of gold, and of bronze, and of light
Behold I am a violin for all your songs..."

The song was written in 1967, before the 6 day war, before the reunification of Jerusalem, and like HaTikva, speaks of a yearning, as well as a love for the land. It breaks my heart that there are those who are still trying to split the city and take the land..those that pray with their backs to Jerusalem,who have thousands of miles of their own land, those who's holy book never ONCE mentions the name of Jerusalem, who dare to claim Israel and Jerusalem belongs to them. Kind of reminds one of the false mother in the tale about Solomon's wisdom. She didn't care for the child, she only wanted the TRUE mother not to have it, so she was all too willing to have it cut in two. Its good that that Israel has supporters like you, Rez, who know the truth of who the land belongs to.
Wow, this was supposed to be a short post! Well, I really must go now..and again, thank you Rez..for your wonderful words about a wonderful land.
Erica

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Old 06-19-2005, 06:32 AM   #28
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To Rez and to Erica,

Thanks for the beautiful expression of your thoughts and feelings on a land many of us will never have the opportunity to see.

Erica, the words to Yerushalyim shel zahav which you quoted are indeed beautiful. I wish for you the opportunity to experience first hand the home where your "heart was born". As one who lives in an area to which I have a deep connection, I can sense the yearning in your words...may that yearning be fulfilled for you, and may you have the opportunity to go up to your beloved Jerusalem one fine day.

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I, for one, would prefer that lengthy, incoherent, unreadable postings like those in this thread be relegated to the small talk forum.

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But those are some of our best postings and unformatted sentences are so much fun !!! You need to relax and enjoy yourself, really...

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Erica and "Rose of . . ."

I once heard that lovliest of love songs to Jerusalem sung at Yad Vashem - The Israeli Holocaust Museum in the city.

It was in the room of endless reflected candles, dedicated to the children, as the names were quietly spoken.

Not a performance, just a magnificent outpouring of the heart of one man as he just began to sing. And people began to listen.

when he had finished, he quietly stood, then departed. We remained a while longer.

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. . . next year in Jerusalem
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Old 06-24-2005, 02:43 PM   #37
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But those are some of our best postings and unformatted sentences are so much fun !!! You need to relax and enjoy yourself, really...

You're right Bill W. What was I thinking ?

RMD
OK OK was that an apology or what.
For my part I am sorry if my two postings were overlong (I tried hard to make them cohere.
But I thought that the Jewish comments it stirred up were worth reading IMHO anyway
Well All Right lets get on:-
-----------------------------
A great Newsgroup thread now 20 postings long on "Gord's Worst Songs" starts at:-
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...0c5ba13c?hl=en
Ed Mullen freshly back from Alaska gave a link to his vacation picture's page in a thread entitled "Believe it or not"
starting at:-
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...e20270f3?hl=en
and highlighting his impersonation of Sir Sean Connery on the Titanic:-

In some haste as so far today my computer experience is frustrating
On my main computer I recently reinstalled Windows 98 ( this being pending the completion (still subject to problems) of a
new desktop that will thankfully be Windows XP equipped). This was for the umpteenth time and something that was hitherto
relatively trouble free but just to keep me on my toes this time it contrived to remove nearly all the links to the installed
programmes and several drivers. The latter is not really a problem just a nuisance but the former was plain annoying so I
started reloading the software.
All was OK until I faced the daunting prospect of reinstalling the ridiculous HP printer/scanner/copier stuff.
not only does it unreasonably demand 2 whopping gigabytes of free space hard to come by on a 5 gig hard drive (one reason
for building a new PC with a new 120 gig HD) but no matter what I seem to do I repeatedly get an unhelpful unsuccessful
installation message.. go away and boil your head.The galling thing is that I need to get the printer working in order to
print out a list of installed program(me)s on Susan's PC which has its own foibles (I had to try to reinstall Windows on hers
after just about anything we did on it resulted in a system lock up. Now after at least 16 attempts to reinstall Windows 98
the silly thing refuses to boot to the full windows without suffering a fatal error but it will open in safe mode (no
drivers) so at least I can still see the list of progam(me)s that were installed and verify that no files have been lost.
-------------------------------
as far as chat goes. Computers don't you just love them??
Now the commercial:-
We had a good session last week with a new chatter Sharron "Minnesotan" Mouse who I was very pleased to note had installed
mIRC and is almost a Canadian it seems. I still cannot get the dilexnet applet to open on my PC yet it does on an XP equipped
machine.I have reported the problem on the dilexnet message board. But it means a further delay in rewriting my chat page into
a better tutorial complete with screenshots to tell you after you get in the room what the room will look like.
I can though emphasize that if you are using mIRC then you will se the mIrC logo in the upper left hand corner
see the screenshot at:-

OK that is enough for this week's we(blog)
Let's chat this evening at 9 pm EST at:-
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot/chat
John Fowles
Bells of the evening, your sweet Sunday sound
Reminds me of the redwoods and moss covered ground
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But those are some of our best postings and unformatted sentences are so much fun !!! You need to relax and enjoy yourself, really...

You're right Bill W. What was I thinking ?

RMD
OK OK was that an apology or what.
For my part I am sorry if my two postings were overlong (I tried hard to make them cohere.
But I thought that the Jewish comments it stirred up were worth reading IMHO anyway
Well All Right lets get on:-
-----------------------------
A great Newsgroup thread now 20 postings long on "Gord's Worst Songs" starts at:-
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...0c5ba13c?hl=en
Ed Mullen freshly back from Alaska gave a link to his vacation picture's page in a thread entitled "Believe it or not"
starting at:-
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...e20270f3?hl=en
and highlighting his impersonation of Sir Sean Connery on the Titanic:-

In some haste as so far today my computer experience is frustrating
On my main computer I recently reinstalled Windows 98 ( this being pending the completion (still subject to problems) of a
new desktop that will thankfully be Windows XP equipped). This was for the umpteenth time and something that was hitherto
relatively trouble free but just to keep me on my toes this time it contrived to remove nearly all the links to the installed
programmes and several drivers. The latter is not really a problem just a nuisance but the former was plain annoying so I
started reloading the software.
All was OK until I faced the daunting prospect of reinstalling the ridiculous HP printer/scanner/copier stuff.
not only does it unreasonably demand 2 whopping gigabytes of free space hard to come by on a 5 gig hard drive (one reason
for building a new PC with a new 120 gig HD) but no matter what I seem to do I repeatedly get an unhelpful unsuccessful
installation message.. go away and boil your head.The galling thing is that I need to get the printer working in order to
print out a list of installed program(me)s on Susan's PC which has its own foibles (I had to try to reinstall Windows on hers
after just about anything we did on it resulted in a system lock up. Now after at least 16 attempts to reinstall Windows 98
the silly thing refuses to boot to the full windows without suffering a fatal error but it will open in safe mode (no
drivers) so at least I can still see the list of progam(me)s that were installed and verify that no files have been lost.
-------------------------------
as far as chat goes. Computers don't you just love them??
Now the commercial:-
We had a good session last week with a new chatter Sharron "Minnesotan" Mouse who I was very pleased to note had installed
mIRC and is almost a Canadian it seems. I still cannot get the dilexnet applet to open on my PC yet it does on an XP equipped
machine.I have reported the problem on the dilexnet message board. But it means a further delay in rewriting my chat page into
a better tutorial complete with screenshots to tell you after you get in the room what the room will look like.
I can though emphasize that if you are using mIRC then you will se the mIrC logo in the upper left hand corner
see the screenshot at:-

OK that is enough for this week's we(blog)
Let's chat this evening at 9 pm EST at:-
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot/chat
John Fowles
Bells of the evening, your sweet Sunday sound
Reminds me of the redwoods and moss covered ground
from the relevant page at:-
http://www.lyricsondemand.com/g/gordonlightfootlyrics/
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