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Old 06-09-2007, 04:24 AM   #1
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Friday, June 8, 2007
Gerry Rafferty on VH1's Top 40 Soft Rock Tunes

Hello mates, Gerry here. Doug's been slacking a bit of late so I thought I'd ask if I could guest blog on an issue that needs immediate discussion: VH1's list of the 40 "Greatest" soft rock songs. They use the term "softastic", as if the genre needed even more ironic poking and giggling. Well I'm here to put an end to this ribbing once and for all, and to inform the good people at Video Hits One exactly why they are wrong on so many levels with this list.
It appears to me that they've confused the genre of soft rock with other closely-related musics from the seventies and early eighties. Soft rock lies somewhere between the sweaty sounds of AOR Classic Rock (with your Billy Squier, James Gang types) and Top 40 mom-pop (Debby Boone, Tom Jones) but can sometimes stray into the surrounding genres depending on the artist and song. The best way to distinguish a soft rock tune is to listen closely to the production and the vocal melody and ask a single question: does this song barely rock? In order for a song to be soft rock it must rock little, but never too much. If it rocks too much it's classic, if it doesn't at all, it's pop. Another trick is to be pretty loose with the term rock. For instance, a cool melody in a song may not "rock" in the way a Jimmy Paige guitar riff rocks, but it can rock in a way that tugs at your heartstrings and sticks in your head. Rock by way of creativity and talent. Okay, let's take a look at the and see what they have on the list:

40. Bertie Higgins - "Key Largo"
39. David Soul - "Don’t Give Up On Us"
38. Peter Frampton - "Baby, I Love Your Way"
37. Leo Sayer - "When I Need You "
36. 10cc - "I’m Not in Love"
35. Extreme - "More Than Words"
34. Dan Hill - "Sometimes When We Touch"
33. Cat Stevens - "Peace Train"
32. Kenny Loggins - "This is It"
31. Richard Marx - "Hold On To The Nights"
30. Andrew Gold - "Lonely Boy"
29. Debby Boone - "You Light Up My Life"
28. America - "Horse With No Name"
27. Lionel Richie - "Hello"
26. Harry Chapin - "Cat's In The Cradle"
25. Anne Murray - "You Needed Me"
24. Phil Collins - "One More Night"
23. REO Speedwagon - "I Can't Fight This Feeling"
22. Roberta Flack & Peabo Bryson - "Tonight, I Celebrate My Love"
21. Orleans - "Still the One"
20. Captain & Tennille - "Do That To Me One More Time"
19. Michael Bolton - "How Am I Supposed to Live Without You"
18. Toto - "Rosanna"
17. Juice Newton - "Angel Of The Morning"
16. Bread - "Baby I’m - A Want You"
15. Journey - "Open Arms"
14. Seals & Crofts - "Summer Breeze"
13. Carpenters - "Superstar"
12. Starland Vocal Band - "Afternoon Delight"
11. Olivia Newton-John - "I Honestly Love You"
10. Chuck Mangione - "Feels So Good"
09. Hall and Oates - "One On One"
08. The Doobie Brothers - "What A Fool Believes"
07. Kansas - "Dust In The Wind"
06. Air Supply - "Making Love Out Of Nothing At All"
05. Chicago - "If You Leave Me Now"
04. Barry Manilow - "Mandy"
03. Rupert Holmes - "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)"
02. Styx - "Babe"
01. Christopher Cross - "Sailing

My first issue after browsing this list are the glaring omissions, notably the absence of ME. That's right folks, no Rafferty on a soft rock list. Sad, 'innit? I wrote what many consider to be the greatest soft rock song ever in "Baker Street", and another stone cold classic with "Right Down the Line", but neither gem made the list. That right there pretty much invalidates the list for me. Do they think I rock a little too hard to be considered soft rock, or have they simply forgotten me altogether? Another one they forgot about is my dear friend Gordon Lightfoot. They've got "Cat's in the Cradle", which isn't even remotely close to a soft rock tune, but have left out "Sundown". Bullocks. What about Ace's "How Long"? Little River Band's "Reminiscing"? Player's "Baby Come Back"? All of these would be top 20 on my list. Nowhere to be found.
Problem #2: a lot of these songs are not soft rock. As great a tune as Michael Bolton's "How Am I Supposed to Live Without You?" is, the song is not soft rock. What it could be labeled is anybody's guess, but it should not be on this list. Orleans' "Still the One"? Too sweaty. They just wanted a good reason to talk about that homoerotic album cover. Roberta Flack and Peabo Bryson come from a genre called "quiet storm", look it up. And Debby Boone and Anne Murray, despite owning the proper amount of sugar and cheese to make it, sadly do not barely rock. The Carpenters of course do, because of their tragic story and immense talent. Plus, "Superstar" is just a stellar song.
That said, friends, I must give VH1 credit for choosing some of the greatest soft rock tunes of my generation. Some of them are no-brainers: "What a Fool Believes", "Afternoon Delight", "Summer Breeze", "I Can't Fight This Feeling", "Open Arms". Others took some guts, and I commend them. "Feels So Good" could very well be left off due to it's length and the fact that it is an instrumental jazz track, but in reality it speaks to the very heart of what soft rock is all about. 10cc's "I'm Not In Love" is more of a cultish soft rock song, but if you ask me it'd be in the closer the top. And though my top ten would be vastly different than what is presented, I really can't argue with the quality of their choices, especially with their high placement of "If You Leave Me Now". That song is so beautiful.
Have I rambled enough about this? I think I'll stop. It's just that, well, I was a little hurt when I learned I wouldn't be included in this list. I mean, Richard Marx over the Raff? Okay, okay, I'm done. It's off my chest. Now I'd like to know what you, fine readers, think is the greatest soft rock tune of all time, whether it's included here or not. Don't be shy...these songs are great!

Cheers,

Gerry
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Old 06-09-2007, 04:24 AM   #2
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Gerry Rafferty on VH1's Top 40 Soft Rock Tunes

Hello mates, Gerry here. Doug's been slacking a bit of late so I thought I'd ask if I could guest blog on an issue that needs immediate discussion: VH1's list of the 40 "Greatest" soft rock songs. They use the term "softastic", as if the genre needed even more ironic poking and giggling. Well I'm here to put an end to this ribbing once and for all, and to inform the good people at Video Hits One exactly why they are wrong on so many levels with this list.
It appears to me that they've confused the genre of soft rock with other closely-related musics from the seventies and early eighties. Soft rock lies somewhere between the sweaty sounds of AOR Classic Rock (with your Billy Squier, James Gang types) and Top 40 mom-pop (Debby Boone, Tom Jones) but can sometimes stray into the surrounding genres depending on the artist and song. The best way to distinguish a soft rock tune is to listen closely to the production and the vocal melody and ask a single question: does this song barely rock? In order for a song to be soft rock it must rock little, but never too much. If it rocks too much it's classic, if it doesn't at all, it's pop. Another trick is to be pretty loose with the term rock. For instance, a cool melody in a song may not "rock" in the way a Jimmy Paige guitar riff rocks, but it can rock in a way that tugs at your heartstrings and sticks in your head. Rock by way of creativity and talent. Okay, let's take a look at the and see what they have on the list:

40. Bertie Higgins - "Key Largo"
39. David Soul - "Don’t Give Up On Us"
38. Peter Frampton - "Baby, I Love Your Way"
37. Leo Sayer - "When I Need You "
36. 10cc - "I’m Not in Love"
35. Extreme - "More Than Words"
34. Dan Hill - "Sometimes When We Touch"
33. Cat Stevens - "Peace Train"
32. Kenny Loggins - "This is It"
31. Richard Marx - "Hold On To The Nights"
30. Andrew Gold - "Lonely Boy"
29. Debby Boone - "You Light Up My Life"
28. America - "Horse With No Name"
27. Lionel Richie - "Hello"
26. Harry Chapin - "Cat's In The Cradle"
25. Anne Murray - "You Needed Me"
24. Phil Collins - "One More Night"
23. REO Speedwagon - "I Can't Fight This Feeling"
22. Roberta Flack & Peabo Bryson - "Tonight, I Celebrate My Love"
21. Orleans - "Still the One"
20. Captain & Tennille - "Do That To Me One More Time"
19. Michael Bolton - "How Am I Supposed to Live Without You"
18. Toto - "Rosanna"
17. Juice Newton - "Angel Of The Morning"
16. Bread - "Baby I’m - A Want You"
15. Journey - "Open Arms"
14. Seals & Crofts - "Summer Breeze"
13. Carpenters - "Superstar"
12. Starland Vocal Band - "Afternoon Delight"
11. Olivia Newton-John - "I Honestly Love You"
10. Chuck Mangione - "Feels So Good"
09. Hall and Oates - "One On One"
08. The Doobie Brothers - "What A Fool Believes"
07. Kansas - "Dust In The Wind"
06. Air Supply - "Making Love Out Of Nothing At All"
05. Chicago - "If You Leave Me Now"
04. Barry Manilow - "Mandy"
03. Rupert Holmes - "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)"
02. Styx - "Babe"
01. Christopher Cross - "Sailing

My first issue after browsing this list are the glaring omissions, notably the absence of ME. That's right folks, no Rafferty on a soft rock list. Sad, 'innit? I wrote what many consider to be the greatest soft rock song ever in "Baker Street", and another stone cold classic with "Right Down the Line", but neither gem made the list. That right there pretty much invalidates the list for me. Do they think I rock a little too hard to be considered soft rock, or have they simply forgotten me altogether? Another one they forgot about is my dear friend Gordon Lightfoot. They've got "Cat's in the Cradle", which isn't even remotely close to a soft rock tune, but have left out "Sundown". Bullocks. What about Ace's "How Long"? Little River Band's "Reminiscing"? Player's "Baby Come Back"? All of these would be top 20 on my list. Nowhere to be found.
Problem #2: a lot of these songs are not soft rock. As great a tune as Michael Bolton's "How Am I Supposed to Live Without You?" is, the song is not soft rock. What it could be labeled is anybody's guess, but it should not be on this list. Orleans' "Still the One"? Too sweaty. They just wanted a good reason to talk about that homoerotic album cover. Roberta Flack and Peabo Bryson come from a genre called "quiet storm", look it up. And Debby Boone and Anne Murray, despite owning the proper amount of sugar and cheese to make it, sadly do not barely rock. The Carpenters of course do, because of their tragic story and immense talent. Plus, "Superstar" is just a stellar song.
That said, friends, I must give VH1 credit for choosing some of the greatest soft rock tunes of my generation. Some of them are no-brainers: "What a Fool Believes", "Afternoon Delight", "Summer Breeze", "I Can't Fight This Feeling", "Open Arms". Others took some guts, and I commend them. "Feels So Good" could very well be left off due to it's length and the fact that it is an instrumental jazz track, but in reality it speaks to the very heart of what soft rock is all about. 10cc's "I'm Not In Love" is more of a cultish soft rock song, but if you ask me it'd be in the closer the top. And though my top ten would be vastly different than what is presented, I really can't argue with the quality of their choices, especially with their high placement of "If You Leave Me Now". That song is so beautiful.
Have I rambled enough about this? I think I'll stop. It's just that, well, I was a little hurt when I learned I wouldn't be included in this list. I mean, Richard Marx over the Raff? Okay, okay, I'm done. It's off my chest. Now I'd like to know what you, fine readers, think is the greatest soft rock tune of all time, whether it's included here or not. Don't be shy...these songs are great!

Cheers,

Gerry
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Old 06-09-2007, 07:38 AM   #3
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"Another one they forgot about is my dear friend Gordon Lightfoot."

Interesting. I never knew of any personal connection between the two.
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Old 06-09-2007, 08:49 AM   #4
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"Another one they forgot about is my dear friend Gordon Lightfoot."

Interesting. I never knew of any personal connection between the two.
I concur Ron
Me neither but the link is really quite elementary my dear Watson

it is a fairly safe bet that when Gord was living in London in the early 60's he would have visited Madame Tussauds and/or the London Planetarium, which happen to be tada tada on Baker Street.

besides which Gerry was a member with the "Big Yin" Billy Connolly of the Humblebums and well Gord is such a humble fellow and that is presumably why I believe no wax replica of him esxists in any of the Tussaud locations, but I could be wrong.

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Originally posted by RM:
"Another one they forgot about is my dear friend Gordon Lightfoot."

Interesting. I never knew of any personal connection between the two.
I concur Ron
Me neither but the link is really quite elementary my dear Watson

it is a fairly safe bet that when Gord was living in London in the early 60's he would have visited Madame Tussauds and/or the London Planetarium, which happen to be tada tada on Baker Street.

besides which Gerry was a member with the "Big Yin" Billy Connolly of the Humblebums and well Gord is such a humble fellow and that is presumably why I believe no wax replica of him esxists in any of the Tussaud locations, but I could be wrong.

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Nice sleuthing Sir John. It's definitely plausible.
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Hi,Nervous new member , Sharon, AKA 814scenic. I'm going to the Houston and Sheboygan concerts! Any one else attending these events. I'd like to hear from anyone that is. I've seen some talk about meeting other members before the concert. That sounds like a lot of fun! On a totally different subject, I see GL wearing his wedding ring and his wife is mentioned attendimg the concerts. I hope this means they have worked out theit problems. Having lstened endlessly to HARMONY, It sounds like Gord's heart has been broken and I don't know if it can be mended! It is one of his best works but I am heart broken every time I hear it! Sorry for going on so much.
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Hi,Nervous new member , Sharon, AKA 814scenic. I'm going to the Houston and Sheboygan concerts! Any one else attending these events. I'd like to hear from anyone that is. I've seen some talk about meeting other members before the concert. That sounds like a lot of fun! On a totally different subject, I see GL wearing his wedding ring and his wife is mentioned attendimg the concerts. I hope this means they have worked out theit problems. Having lstened endlessly to HARMONY, It sounds like Gord's heart has been broken and I don't know if it can be mended! It is one of his best works but I am heart broken every time I hear it! Sorry for going on so much.
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Hello 814scenic, Sharon,

Welcome in Lightland, Lightheads are friendly people. I looked at your profile and see your in Florida. We are about the same age. It seems there are a lot of Corfidians that were born that year. Anyway have a great time here at Corfid...

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Hello 814scenic, Sharon,

Welcome in Lightland, Lightheads are friendly people. I looked at your profile and see your in Florida. We are about the same age. It seems there are a lot of Corfidians that were born that year. Anyway have a great time here at Corfid...

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Hi Jesse,
This is my third try to send this Thank You for such a nice welcome! I logged in for a few minutes, while at work, and was qute happy to see your response! Jesse, I've seen much of your posts and they are beautiful! I was raised with all different kinds of music, from Motown Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Bobby Darin And all 60's music.The music featured the best and the brightest in that era, in my opinion. I discoverd GL on my own. One listen and I was hooked for life. Sorry, I need to get back to work. Hope to speak again to you soon. It is 11:45 a.m. in Miami and very hot. I am really a "closet Candian". I wish I could live there. Take care.
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Hi Jesse,
This is my third try to send this Thank You for such a nice welcome! I logged in for a few minutes, while at work, and was qute happy to see your response! Jesse, I've seen much of your posts and they are beautiful! I was raised with all different kinds of music, from Motown Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Bobby Darin And all 60's music.The music featured the best and the brightest in that era, in my opinion. I discoverd GL on my own. One listen and I was hooked for life. Sorry, I need to get back to work. Hope to speak again to you soon. It is 11:45 a.m. in Miami and very hot. I am really a "closet Candian". I wish I could live there. Take care.
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Hi Sharon,

Thank's for the kind words. There are lots of Canadians who would like to live in Florida.

Gord is a real treasure up here. And starting June 29, we can post his Gord's Gold photo on our mailing envelopes... {Super Cool}







This Char Stamp, would have been also good.




Or even this one.

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Hi Sharon,

Thank's for the kind words. There are lots of Canadians who would like to live in Florida.

Gord is a real treasure up here. And starting June 29, we can post his Gord's Gold photo on our mailing envelopes... {Super Cool}







This Char Stamp, would have been also good.




Or even this one.

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By the way, can anyone answer my question on GL's marriage.
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By the way, can anyone answer my question on GL's marriage.
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he is still married but separated for about 4 years now. mrs.lightfoot attends local concerts in the Toronto area with their youngest daughter-13 yr.old Meredith and sometimes Miles who is about 17 I think..they live "2 minutes away" from their dad.

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he is still married but separated for about 4 years now. mrs.lightfoot attends local concerts in the Toronto area with their youngest daughter-13 yr.old Meredith and sometimes Miles who is about 17 I think..they live "2 minutes away" from their dad.

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Thank you Charlene. My name is Sharon. I have enjoyed reading your interviews with THE BARD! How lucky you are. I would forget my own name! :D
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Thank you Charlene. My name is Sharon. I have enjoyed reading your interviews with THE BARD! How lucky you are. I would forget my own name! :D
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