banner.gif (3613 Byte)

Corner.gif 1x1.gif Corner.gif
1x1.gif You are at: Home - Discussion Forum 1x1.gif
Corner.gif 1x1.gif Corner.gif
      
round_corner_upleft.gif (837 Byte) 1x1.gif (807 Byte) round_corner_upright.gif (837 Byte)
Old 02-25-2005, 10:42 AM   #1
Jim Driskell
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Brockton, Ma. United States
Posts: 35
Default

In Hamilton, I sat the closest I've ever sat at a Lightfoot concert (3rd row). Of course, I loved being up close. One of the things I noticed sitting there was that Rick Haynes sings along often. And I noticed that in many of the songs, he is singing harmonies. My wife simply asked "why isn't he miked?" I have to admit, I was thinking the same thing. I wonder why the band doesn't add harmony. They are obviously capable of doing that. Does anyone know the answer?
Jim Driskell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 10:42 AM   #2
Minstrel Man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 163
Default

In Hamilton, I sat the closest I've ever sat at a Lightfoot concert (3rd row). Of course, I loved being up close. One of the things I noticed sitting there was that Rick Haynes sings along often. And I noticed that in many of the songs, he is singing harmonies. My wife simply asked "why isn't he miked?" I have to admit, I was thinking the same thing. I wonder why the band doesn't add harmony. They are obviously capable of doing that. Does anyone know the answer?
Minstrel Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 11:24 AM   #3
Station Master
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: New York City
Posts: 462
Send a message via ICQ to Station Master
Default

you probably only heard him mildly in the mix during Sundown and Triangle, no? i believe he is mic-ed, a fairly large one, there must be a pic somewhere...i doubt it's omnidirectional or it would pickup some of the monitors, i'm sure the answer lies in the archives here or at the NG, great subject that comes up from time to time, i'd just be satisfied if Gord added his own harmonies once again to his studio work
Station Master is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 11:24 AM   #4
jj
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: ontario, canada
Posts: 5,273
Default

you probably only heard him mildly in the mix during Sundown and Triangle, no? i believe he is mic-ed, a fairly large one, there must be a pic somewhere...i doubt it's omnidirectional or it would pickup some of the monitors, i'm sure the answer lies in the archives here or at the NG, great subject that comes up from time to time, i'd just be satisfied if Gord added his own harmonies once again to his studio work
jj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 11:47 AM   #5
TheWatchman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Columbia, Maryland
Posts: 944
Default

If any of the band members have vocal mics I would be surprised because I've never noticed any. I know that I don't want to hear anyone but Lightfoot singing, especially after the Live In Montreux fiasco.
TheWatchman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 12:31 PM   #6
Station Master
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: New York City
Posts: 462
Send a message via ICQ to Station Master
Default

you're probably right, but keep in mind that i can dig up bootleg live tapes of stellar harmonizing groups like fleetwood mac, moody blues, blue rodeo, etc, etc where the vox will give you an earache...again, i chalk that usually down to the backup guys not being able to hear themselves in the monitor mix...at other times, fatigue, drugs and booze also contribute...but i've never heard Gord himself off pitch...check the Reno dvd to see that mic in front of Rick, no?
Station Master is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 12:31 PM   #7
jj
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: ontario, canada
Posts: 5,273
Default

you're probably right, but keep in mind that i can dig up bootleg live tapes of stellar harmonizing groups like fleetwood mac, moody blues, blue rodeo, etc, etc where the vox will give you an earache...again, i chalk that usually down to the backup guys not being able to hear themselves in the monitor mix...at other times, fatigue, drugs and booze also contribute...but i've never heard Gord himself off pitch...check the Reno dvd to see that mic in front of Rick, no?
jj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 02:32 PM   #8
djb
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
If any of the band members have vocal mics -- snip -- especially after the Live In Montreux fiasco.

Who did the backing vocals at Montreux? The music and Lightfoot himself are fabulous, but did they let an alley cat with asthma onstage to sing backup?

  Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 02:32 PM   #9
djb
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
If any of the band members have vocal mics -- snip -- especially after the Live In Montreux fiasco.

Who did the backing vocals at Montreux? The music and Lightfoot himself are fabulous, but did they let an alley cat with asthma onstage to sing backup?

  Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 07:14 PM   #10
joveski
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,804
Default

> Who did the backing vocals at Montreux?


i think its terry clements
joveski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2005, 08:10 PM   #11
LSH
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: America
Posts: 990
Default

If you watch, you'll notice Terry Clements also has a tendency to mouth or sing (whichever) the chorus of Sundown everytime that song comes around.
LSH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2005, 12:49 AM   #12
Alberta
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 52
Default

The reason the harmony vocals on the Live in Montreaux recording sound so crappy, is because that recording is taken directly off the soundboard, before any levels are adjusted so that the audience hears a more balanced mix. So we're not actually hearing what the audience at that concert heard. As a testimate to the band's harmonizing, one needs to look no further than the Live in New York city radio show Gord did in 1977. Both Rick and Terry sing harmony on that recording and their voices on "Race among the Ruins" and "The Circle is Small" are absolutely spot-on. I wish they were still miked today as they add a such a depth to Lightfoot's singing.
Alberta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2005, 12:49 AM   #13
Kenyon
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 90
Default

The reason the harmony vocals on the Live in Montreaux recording sound so crappy, is because that recording is taken directly off the soundboard, before any levels are adjusted so that the audience hears a more balanced mix. So we're not actually hearing what the audience at that concert heard. As a testimate to the band's harmonizing, one needs to look no further than the Live in New York city radio show Gord did in 1977. Both Rick and Terry sing harmony on that recording and their voices on "Race among the Ruins" and "The Circle is Small" are absolutely spot-on. I wish they were still miked today as they add a such a depth to Lightfoot's singing.
Kenyon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2005, 08:33 AM   #14
Station Master
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: New York City
Posts: 462
Send a message via ICQ to Station Master
Default

for sure, lsh, and you'll see Barry Keane doing the same...maybe his drumkit mics are picking up HIS voice and NOT Barry's as i'd originally thought, lol

yeah, nobody more important than the mixing man

here's a quote from Richard from the NG:
May 30 2000, 12:00 am

I plead guilty to the *poor* mixing at Montreux. In those days Gord liked
the harmonies more up front, but not at ensemble level as in a group like the
Byrds. What I found interesting about the venue was that - unlike a normal
concert hall with two main speaker stacks, the room had roof support columns
with multi-directional speakers attached to each column- some 30-40 in all.
When I first walked in, I thought *This is never going to work* (no bass - 8"
speakers). But it did and,to my surprise, I got quite good sound out of it,
IMHO.
Station Master is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2005, 08:33 AM   #15
jj
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: ontario, canada
Posts: 5,273
Default

for sure, lsh, and you'll see Barry Keane doing the same...maybe his drumkit mics are picking up HIS voice and NOT Barry's as i'd originally thought, lol

yeah, nobody more important than the mixing man

here's a quote from Richard from the NG:
May 30 2000, 12:00 am

I plead guilty to the *poor* mixing at Montreux. In those days Gord liked
the harmonies more up front, but not at ensemble level as in a group like the
Byrds. What I found interesting about the venue was that - unlike a normal
concert hall with two main speaker stacks, the room had roof support columns
with multi-directional speakers attached to each column- some 30-40 in all.
When I first walked in, I thought *This is never going to work* (no bass - 8"
speakers). But it did and,to my surprise, I got quite good sound out of it,
IMHO.
jj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2005, 04:14 PM   #16
seahawk11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: johnstown, colorado, usa
Posts: 123
Default

Yes, there were some 'cringing' moments with the background vocals on the Montreux recording (Race, Sundown, Summertime Dream), but there are also a couple of good spots (IYCRMM and High and Dry are wonderful). I think it all comes down to the fact that Gordon's voice has lost a lot of that old ballsy/baritone quality and it could be more difficult to hear his voice stand out exclusively from the others nowadays, IMHO...
seahawk11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Omaha Concert venue has no info about concert KHester General Discussion 3 07-24-2009 08:52 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
downleft 1x1.gif (807 Byte) downright