nice to have the question resurface every once in a while, and thanks for the archival links, John, because I recall the 2002 thread each time the question rises… I think there was stuff also back in mid-late 90s
Joveski, it's "I've been on the town" (i know you know that)
i love Skip raving at the start of this audio "WHO WRITE THAT!"
" if time could heal the wounds I would tear the threads away that I might bleed some more….beneath a battered marking stone, it lies forgotten "
but for me, i go much deeper: