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charlene · 03-29-2010, 04:21 PM

there is a place called St. Augustine in Florida...
he may have just put in some places with names that fit the flow of the song as he did when he put Cleveland in the Wreck..

maybe..

or:http://dspace.nitle.org/handle/10090/1335 - info

and this info:

Life before the war of independence
Agustín Cosme Damián de Iturbide y Aramburu was born in what was called Valladolid, now Morelia, the provincial capital of Michoacán on 27 September 1783.[4][5] He was baptized with the names of Saints Cosmas and Damian at the cathedral there.[6] He was the fifth child born to his parents but he was the only male to survive and inherit his family’s Basque Iturbide name.[7] Iturbide’s parents were part of the privileged class of Valladolid, owning farmland[4][5] such as the haciendas of Apeo and Guaracha as well as lands in nearby Quirio.[6] Iturbide’s father, Joaquín de Iturbide, came from a Basque noble family who received their title from King Juan II of Aragon. One of his ancestors, Martin de Iturbide, was mayor of Valle de Baztanen in 1432, and thereafter many in the family held political positions in the Basque region from the 15th century on. As Joaquín was not the eldest and would not inherit the family lands in Spain, he moved to New Spain to seek his fortune there.[7] While the noble and Spanish lineage of his father has never been in doubt, there has been some doubt about his mother. Some sources state that his mother was a Mestiza, meaning that she had at least some Indian blood.[1][8][9] Other sources insist that she was of pure Spanish blood born in Mexico, and therefore, a Criolla.[6][7] Others simply state that she came from a high-ranking family in Michoacán.[4][5][10] The reason this is important was that, at that time, one’s political fortunes, including military rank, was severely curtailed for those of mixed or pure Indian blood. Iturbide insisted throughout his life that he was Criollo.[8][9]

Agustin studied at the Catholic seminary called Colegio de San Nicolás in Valladolid, enrolled in the program for secular officials, though he was not a distinguished student.[1][4][7] After that, he worked as an overseer at one of his family’s haciendas for a short time, discovering that he was a very good horseman.[1][4] Still in his teens, Iturbide entered the royalist army, having been accepted as a Criollo.[8] He was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the provincial regiment.[4][5] Shortly thereafter, he was promoted to full lieutenant in 1806.[7]

In 1805, when he was twenty-two, Iturbide married Ana María Josefa Ramona de Huarte y Muñiz, who would later become the first empress of Mexico.[4][7] She also came from Vallodolid from a prosperous family of businessmen and landowners.[11] She was the daughter of wealthy and powerful noble Isidro de Huarte, governor of the district and the granddaughter of the Marquis of Altamira. With her dowry of 100,000 pesos, the couple bought the Hacienda of Apeo in the small town of Maravatío.[7]

Prior to the outbreak of the War of Independence, there was political unrest in New Spain. One of Iturbide’s first military campaigns was to help put down a mutiny headed by Gabriel J. de Yermo.[12] While valiant in combat, he gained a reputation early in his career for using his authority for financial gain.[8] Although a member of the royal army that had suppressed rebellion, he may have been involved in the initial conspiracy to declare independence in 1809 that was headed by José Mariano Michelena in Valladolid.[12][13] Some historians believe that he betrayed Michelena when he was not chosen leader.[1]

03-29-2010, 04:21 PM	#10
charlene Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 16,001	Re: The Edmund Fitzgerald's legend lives on … but with a major change there is a place called St. Augustine in Florida... he may have just put in some places with names that fit the flow of the song as he did when he put Cleveland in the Wreck.. maybe.. or:http://dspace.nitle.org/handle/10090/1335 - info and this info: Life before the war of independence Agustín Cosme Damián de Iturbide y Aramburu was born in what was called Valladolid, now Morelia, the provincial capital of Michoacán on 27 September 1783.[4][5] He was baptized with the names of Saints Cosmas and Damian at the cathedral there.[6] He was the fifth child born to his parents but he was the only male to survive and inherit his family’s Basque Iturbide name.[7] Iturbide’s parents were part of the privileged class of Valladolid, owning farmland[4][5] such as the haciendas of Apeo and Guaracha as well as lands in nearby Quirio.[6] Iturbide’s father, Joaquín de Iturbide, came from a Basque noble family who received their title from King Juan II of Aragon. One of his ancestors, Martin de Iturbide, was mayor of Valle de Baztanen in 1432, and thereafter many in the family held political positions in the Basque region from the 15th century on. As Joaquín was not the eldest and would not inherit the family lands in Spain, he moved to New Spain to seek his fortune there.[7] While the noble and Spanish lineage of his father has never been in doubt, there has been some doubt about his mother. Some sources state that his mother was a Mestiza, meaning that she had at least some Indian blood.[1][8][9] Other sources insist that she was of pure Spanish blood born in Mexico, and therefore, a Criolla.[6][7] Others simply state that she came from a high-ranking family in Michoacán.[4][5][10] The reason this is important was that, at that time, one’s political fortunes, including military rank, was severely curtailed for those of mixed or pure Indian blood. Iturbide insisted throughout his life that he was Criollo.[8][9] Agustin studied at the Catholic seminary called Colegio de San Nicolás in Valladolid, enrolled in the program for secular officials, though he was not a distinguished student.[1][4][7] After that, he worked as an overseer at one of his family’s haciendas for a short time, discovering that he was a very good horseman.[1][4] Still in his teens, Iturbide entered the royalist army, having been accepted as a Criollo.[8] He was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the provincial regiment.[4][5] Shortly thereafter, he was promoted to full lieutenant in 1806.[7] In 1805, when he was twenty-two, Iturbide married Ana María Josefa Ramona de Huarte y Muñiz, who would later become the first empress of Mexico.[4][7] She also came from Vallodolid from a prosperous family of businessmen and landowners.[11] She was the daughter of wealthy and powerful noble Isidro de Huarte, governor of the district and the granddaughter of the Marquis of Altamira. With her dowry of 100,000 pesos, the couple bought the Hacienda of Apeo in the small town of Maravatío.[7] Prior to the outbreak of the War of Independence, there was political unrest in New Spain. One of Iturbide’s first military campaigns was to help put down a mutiny headed by Gabriel J. de Yermo.[12] While valiant in combat, he gained a reputation early in his career for using his authority for financial gain.[8] Although a member of the royal army that had suppressed rebellion, he may have been involved in the initial conspiracy to declare independence in 1809 that was headed by José Mariano Michelena in Valladolid.[12][13] Some historians believe that he betrayed Michelena when he was not chosen leader.[1]