BBC Concert 1972

[Doug]

Without going into detail I'll just say I was able to use appropriate software to re-encode the PAL info into a NTSC format. Several members here have received the resulting discs and are quite satisfied with the results.

I'm not selling or trading but if any of you are interested in an NTSC disc, let me know via PM (private message in the upper right hand corner of this window) and I think I can help you out.

[charlene]

Without going into detail I'll just say I was able to use appropriate software to re-encode the PAL info into a NTSC format. Several members here have received the resulting discs and are quite satisfied with the results.

I'm not selling or trading but if any of you are interested in an NTSC disc, let me know via PM (private message in the upper right hand corner of this window) and I think I can help you out.

;)

[TC]

I thank you again Doug. You did a good job.

[Doug]

I thank you again Doug. You did a good job.

It's good to be useful in life!

[charlene]

It's good to be useful in life!

and useful to own a MAC !
;)

[jj]

Char, I believe there are versions of Handbrake and Toast for Windows

Doug and other's tips were very helpful & appreciated!

Test it out on the Sexsmith (which I haven't seen yet on YouTube)

I took the mp4 files over to the iPhone and between the sound quality and headphones and that Retina display, the show has been 'on the road' and in top form.... So crisp for a four decade old production...hey, iPad2's look fun

[jj]

Btw, any others made an audio cd?

(although enjoyable, took out the between song banter and shook up the song sequencing eg. had to open with 10 Degrees, just cos it was SO hot!)

[banjobench12]

Dare I ask how to make a cd of this? I'd live to get it in my itunes library

[2silent2breal]

Btw, any others made an audio cd?

(although enjoyable, took out the between song banter and shook up the song sequencing eg. had to open with 10 Degrees, just cos it was SO hot!)

I did extract the audio and put it in my iTunes library. I kept everything intact though. I split the band intros as a separate track. I stream iTunes to my stereo and the show sounds great.

I would be happy to send out a few CD's.

Mark

[jj]

Dare I ask how to make a cd of this? I'd live to get it in my itunes library

If you have it in mp4 format (previous advice was to use Handbrake to do this using vob files as the source) then http://www.howtodothings.com/electronics/a1664-how-to-convert-mp4-to-mp3.html

Myself, I generate files in aif format which iTunes converts to mp3 upon import

Interesting, Mark. I took liberty in resequencing songs when I realized BBC had done same to some degree although he does close with CRT

Notice him drop to his knees after that?
Notice Red change tuning of low string after the first number?
Notice Rick mouthing backing box in SSOL?
Notice Gord blow smoke before MOTD?
Notice the guitar change that was, and wasn't?

Gord seemed to pull out a flatpick before taking to the stool for Affair but he's fingerpicking throughout that one, no?

I wouldn't mind seeing Gord periodically take to the stool these days...Rick too

[2silent2breal]

JJ you've picked up a lot of subtleties that I've missed. I will be watching for those things the next time I watch. No retina screen, but it looks great on the iPad. That's one of many nice things about managing music on a computer these days. Playlists and such are so easy to experiment with. Mr. Lightfoot had mentioned on more than one occasion that the order of the songs on Cold on the Shoulder were all wrong, so I have tried to switch things around a few times just for the fun of it. The only thing I've done that worked for me was to start with what was the second side of the original LP as that was how I used to listen to it Oh so many years ago.

I am a Mac user as well and used DVD Remaster to extract the audio to an aif and then Sound Studio to separate the tracks. Neither of these programs are free but there are several on both the Mac and PC side that are free including handbrake and final vinyl. I've gotten into repurposing a lot of my old LP's to digital as well as recording Austin City Limits shows and extracting the audio.

[charlene]

I noticed the knee drop, the smoke and the several tmes he had that wry little grin when looking at Red..

[charlene]

hey - did Red have a tattoo on the top of his right hand betwen thumb and forefinger??

[lighthead2toe]

MY GOOD GOD!

This has got to be some of the most incredible stuff I've seen in my life!

It's like a dream from a past life exploded in my brain. Is it real or what?

I went through every video and back again to wallow in the tears of joy a second time.

Thankful to all who made this happen. Blessed also and thankful am I to have lived through an era in Toronto when these performances would occur and when they did I would ride on the high just long enough to catch up with the next one.

To have this come into your living room merely by the click on a button is gift beyond gifts.

Very very much appreciated.

[Moosedog]

Dare I ask how to make a cd of this? I'd live to get it in my itunes library

I've often used www.mediaconverter.org to convert Youtube links into audio files. It walks you through it...you literally just enter the Youtube link and tell it what format you want it converted to. I haven't tried it with this particular Youtube link, but it should work. :)

Vickie

[brink-]

I can not believe the things you all noticed. I must be sitting here with my eyes closed, of course I don't notice the guitar stuff (pick and guitar not a guitar) but the other stuff. Well this has just convinced me that I need to watch it again 5 or 6 times :)

[Andy T.]

I found myself not watching - just listening - GL has always been much more an audio thing for me than visual. So the things I noticed were in the sound. And considering there were a couple of lyrical goofs on Gord's part I can see how perfectionist Gord might not want this out there. I bet he wasn't happy to have them aired in the first place. But it was interesting to see how Red and Rick covered for the goofs. But when on Farewell to Nova Scotia, when Gord sang the verses out of order, and the final verse came early, I was very interested in hearing how they "get out of that one" so to speak. Not knowing how the arrangement of that song was typically performed at that time, it's hard to say how well they did, Red's ending licks seemed a bit improvised, but still sufficient.

I'd thought I'd heard this one before, but I guess I was wrong. I'm glad to have it out there, it was a great show. I'll probably try the torrent next, (did the youtube thing first - and by the way, how was that possible, I thought you clips that long weren't allowed on youtube??) and then copy the audio tracks.

-Andy T.

[jj]

I suggest sourcing your audio from the torrents contents for what I fell is superior sound vs the YouTube load

But if your listening on earbuds or pc speakers it's not a big diff

This deserves to be heard on the best audio projection you have available and is about 500x more stunning than the Reno production, IMO, and Gord would be foolish not to release this worldwide one day

If only the video masters still existed it would be awesome to have a new final cut improving on the intensity by capturing more of Red's work, audience cutaways ( doncha love them?), etc, etc

There is a heap of quality early audio including Sunday concert so it's about time we were able to VIEW the master(s) in action

Question
Have any members turned on other non-member fans or better yet, those who were totally ignorant to Lighfoot, by sending the YouTube link or sitting with them and taking in the DVD? It's so wonderful to share the wealth and see the lightbulb come on with others (although my wife couldn't get past his hair and also said that the audience looked bored...oh well, lol)

[formerlylavender]

My husband has watched the DVD twice with me. He really likes it. He loves that time period anyway and SSOL is his favorite GL album. He couldn't believe that all that great sound was made with only three guitars - at first he was convinced there was a drummer hiding somewhere, lol. He's a huge Stones fan, btw, and probably wouldn't know any Gord beyond Sundown if it wasn't for me:)

I forwarded the youtube SSOL song link to my sister. I made her a mixed GL tape years ago and she mentioned SSOL as being one of her favorites, so I thought she'd appreciate seeing the song performed live. She's not a huge fan and said she liked it, but nothing beyond that:(

[charlene]

(although my wife couldn't get past his hair and also said that the audience looked bored...oh well, lol)

Like Michelle I have a hard time getting past the hair - ..t hat 's why I spend all my time looking at his lips...
;)

[Lisa J]

Like Michelle I have a hard time getting past the hair - ..t hat 's why I spend all my time looking at his lips...
;)


good for you, back to the lips!

[Lisa J]

[quote=jj;170977]
Question
Have any members turned on other non-member fans or better yet, those who were totally ignorant to Lighfoot, by sending the YouTube link or sitting with them and taking in the DVD? quote]

a little off track, but my mom's a fan who has fallen by the wayside of late, due to the weakness of gord's voice. However, while she was recoverying from surgery recently, I put my copy of the concert into her DVD player and it made her day. Her face took on the expression that i imagine mine does while watching.... total, blissful peace. (Mixed in with a little admiration for a very fine looking man!)

[Peter Bro10]

Any word on where this concert took place and an exact date??

Great concert... what a gem!

[charlene]

BBC studios - London, England - recorded spring 1972, aired later in 1972 from what I understand..

[TC]

This is probably the best Lightfoot footage I've seen. It's the first time I've watched a concert featuring Red Shea. Unfortunate the camera crew didn't capture more of his finger work. They probably didn't think he was doing anything (judging by the ever pleasant casual look on his face) and the fact that he rarely looked at his fret board...how did he do that?

[Peter Bro10]

They probably didn't think he was doing anything (judging by the ever pleasant casual look on his face) and the fact that he rarely looked at his fret board...how did he do that?

My thoughts exactly! How on earth did he do that??? My respect for Red ratcheted up several notches!!!

Was he thinking about what he was playing or what he might order for dinner later that night?

[Peter Bro10]

Hey folks,
I've put together a nice little DVD (slim case style) cover to go with this awesome video. If you're interested, PM me with your email address and I'll shoot it back to you. Artwork is comprised of image grabs from the video, along with the setlist on the back. Oh, and it's in pdf format, complete with crop (trim) marks.

[Doug]

Hey folks,
I've put together a nice little DVD (slim case style) cover to go with this awesome video. If you're interested, PM me with your email address and I'll shoot it back to you.

I got one and it is very nice. Thanks Peter!

[Peter Bro10]

Thought I might post a quick pic of what the finished product looks like...

[johnfowles]

Without going into detail I'll just say I was able to use appropriate software to re-encode the PAL info into a NTSC format. Several members here have received the resulting discs and are quite satisfied with the results.

I'm not selling or trading but if any of you are interested in an NTSC disc, let me know via PM (private message in the upper right hand corner of this window) and I think I can help you out.

Quite by chance I happenned to be upon the amazon.co.uk website looking for Lightfoot stuff and was amazed to find them offering a quasi-official copy of the 1972 concert which I found was (at least in the copy I received from them in NTSC format)
albeit with a title taken from one of the more memorable tracks on it
"Talking In Your Sleep" (a.k.a. the "Pick a Potato" song)
Anybody who does not know what I am talking aboot please go to
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.music.lightfoot/KZ6TaichTgY/discussiona
the presumably UK produced DVD should be of interest to any North American saddled with a DVD player that is unable to play PAL format discs such as the DVD as obtained originally via the torrent distribution (I know this includes a certain awesome Canadian guitarist who shares his surname with a famous Dam-busting World War two RAF bomber!!)
the DVD is shown at
www.amazon.co.uk/Gordon-Lightfoot-Talking-Your-Sleep/dp/B0060U9E4W/ (http://corfid.com/vbb/www.amazon.co.uk/Gordon-Lightfoot-Talking-Your-Sleep/dp/B0060U9E4W/)
one of the comments includes
"Gord doesn't talk much and unfortunately the camera guy doesn't know the difference between bass and lead guitar, so you miss seeing some fancy playing. "
it is also listed on the Canadian Amazon website
Gordon Lightfoot - Talking In Your Sleep: Amazon.ca: Gordon Lightfoot: DVD
but they copped out:-
"Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock."
I duly bought a copy at a cost of only £9.99 plus £3.08 shipping by airmail from the UK and was quite surprised to find that both the artwork and disc label stated that it is NTSC. as confirmed by analyses using the Gspot utility
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/811/h36l.jpg
Of couse it just might be that they produced both PAL and NTSC versions and sent me the appropriate one. although all of the DVD players I have access to can play both
I will also attach largish scans of the disc label and case insert
and Gord would be foolish not to release this worldwide one day

yes well I guess that is just wishful thinking James
I found it interesting that the producers of the NTSC DVD go to extreme lengths in their insert blurb to explain their involvement and its legality
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/823/694d.jpg
But what is glaringly evident is that the BBC were in no way involved in the issue of this DVD as any credit to the Beeb is conspicuously missing on this DVD wake up BBC!!!

[jj]

"unfortunately the camera guy doesn't know the difference between bass and lead guitar"

yeah, really but perhaps there were many cameras and choices, yet it was the editor/producer who doesn't know the difference or what vintage footage of Red was overlooked throughout the show...wonder if the stock films lives on? it would be great to see this all recut - + get rid if the overdone, long shots of GL

[johnfowles]

and by the way, how was that possible, I thought you clips that long weren't allowed on youtube??).Andy T.
Great comment/question Android,and one that I asked myself as I found an increasing number of what appeared to be quite ordinary YouTube members uploading a large number of videos that were very much larger than the apparent maximum length of 15 minutes (earlier it had been only 10 minutes and there were several instances of longer videos being split into 10 minute parts to comply one in particular was a series of eight parts of a 1942 black and white filmed version of one of my favourite Nevil Shute novels "Pied Piper" "8 videos 1 hour, 26 minutes" although somebody else had then created a YouTube playlist which causes the eight parts to play sequentially.The complete playlist version then had a different URL to any of the constituent parts,
As an experiment I pasted tha URL into a new thread on the Test Forum that I called enticingly "youtube playlists" at:-
http://corfid.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=26604&highlight=playlist
the experiment inexplicably dismally failed even though the system worked on the actual youtube page.
Yet I kept seeing longer videos especially the two 30 minute parts of this 1972 concert broadcast by the BBC in 2011.
I actually found one optimistic devoted country music fan who had successfully uploaded a mammoth compilation video of his selection of highlights from 7 years of the annual CMA Awards TV show as a single seven hour video!! and there are many complete movies up there too
I could only assume that the people uploading these longer items must have shelled out big bucks to Mr Google to become special "Partners" or something.
But there were so many and there appeared to be no references for such a procedure, that I could find, anyway
I refused to be beaten and after a modicum of determined searching eventually I found the answer carefully and almost obscurely hidden in my video manager's dashboard
I found that my three previous copyright transgressions had now "expired" so that I was now again a YouTube member in "good standing" and by simply checking a checkbox I enabled the uploading of longer videos. to celebrate I uploaded a sample 50 minute documentary of inspired insanity on The Goons (a 1950's British BBC comedy radio program that enthralled me in my teen years and inspired much of the comedy that followed especially Monty Python and the Laugh In)
I started yet another Test Forum thread to test this video and called it irresistably I fondly thought "Video Test" at:-
http://corfid.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=27046&highlight=video+test
Nobody but nobody replied to it.
I fully intended to follow up myself knowing that at least one corfiddler had asked how it was possible to exceed the 10/15 minute limit
I searched the Forums fo a suitable quote to respond to but the relatively inefficient search system here failed me
I was therefore very pleased when this topic was recycled and I could respond to Android's poser.
Finally if anybody fals to locate YouTube's vital check box please ask me for detailed instructions I have already made suitable navigational screenshots

[johnfowles]

To complete the picture I have now received a second DVD from the same source this time a retitled copy of the 1979 PBS Soundstage recording which merits the same criticism that is usually made about the bootleg copy floating round.
It looks very much as though the digital "rip" was made from a 4th or 5th generation copy of an original VHS tape recording off air,not that it in my opinion seriously detracts from the value of this recording, and you soon get used to a seriously redhaired GL!
Even worse of course was the PBS video preparation crew's abysmal ignorance about
Gord's music so that it has an unforgiveably truncated Trilogy
As you can see from the artwork that I will be attaching the company that has made this version fails to make any mention of the video source being either PBS or Soundstage
They presumably took the name "Troubadour " from the PBS announcer's introduction
"If the word troubadour can be applied to 20th century music at all, then Gordon Lightfoot is a troubadour: perhaps the last one we shall ever see"
All the more strange then that, possibly to remove any mention of PBS or Soundstage for legal reasons (??) the entire opening sequence that is on the bootleg has been cut so that the DVD starts with Gord already singing Cotton Jenny.
The Amazon uk page is at:-
Gordon Lightfoot - Troubadour / Live: Amazon.co.uk: Gordon Lightfoot: Film & TV
the price of £9.99 plus £1.26 UK delivery (£3.08 to the States ) is the same as for the Talking In You Sleep DVD
But unlike that DVD's artwork the fact that this is an NTSC DVD is omitted
(although allegedly all UK and European spec DVD players can handle both PAL and NTSC formats)
It is sometimes stated that North American players cannot play PAL DVDs which I know is patently untrue
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　

[charlene]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqS310cQ0CI&list=FLFytFUqsvLBb2Vdn4k1szIA&index=40

[johnfowles]

BBC studios - London, England - recorded spring 1972, aired later in 1972 from what I understand..
No actually recorded during his London visit in early (??) 1971
then broadcast in 2 sections the first on 22 January 1972 which I watched and got a friend to record just 2 songs (audio only) on an audio cassette tape recorder
my earlier posting (number 30 in fact) had included an image of the dvd case disclaimer that was stored on the now defunct free service provided by imageshack.us so I have just reuploaded it to my own web site as a safer long term repository.Yer Tis:-
http://johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/images/CREDITS%20DISCLAIMER_650.jpg