Corfid.cafe - enjoyable talk via friendly posts

[geodeticman.5]

Bottom line opener for the thread: you can skip the rest of my longer writing just after this, and post something on your mind amongst friends - Lightheads, talk about anything, friendly, good taste, and enjoyment of company to share thoughts with. - 'geo'-steve

More on the same, or skip it if you want:

Hey guys. I caught myself enjoying so much writing of, and listening to nostalgic memories, old pictures, unlocked drawers in desks found 6 years later, hearing of green boxes with the key found elsewhere , and everyone comparing what they found in their grandfather's or father's desks ! Thats just for starters !

My main motivation is I started occupying so much of the space in lyrics quizzers, we couldn't see the game entries for the long replies from me ! - From the modest posts from others.

Please join me in posting absolutely whatever is on your mind. Quite often one given thought - such as "I found a War Medal my father never spoke of", or- I am having such a &^%&*(* Day I don't know but what I am going to burst ! LOL , or I was real down, until I logged in, and somebody had posted a PM to me, it gave me the lifted spirits to continue my work...... Things like those , and anything that strikes you as worth sharing with others.

I really like the idea of a thread where metaphorically you can picture going into a coffee shop, or what have you, sit down, and share interesting stories that may not quite warrant a thread, but fit just right in here no matter how short they may be, or how much 'bending an ear you need to get through a rough spot in the week, or day, and chat about whatever strikes you.

All things are open for discussion in here, including inspiring quotes, or stories.

All I ask is that we follow the normal stds. of decency and good taste that is normally expected of us elsewhere in all of Corfid, and envision Florian, Char, and yes, The Man - Gordo, sitting on our shoulders and listening, too.
Otherwise stated - if we follow the golden rule in here, and we share such great storied that started unfolding in Lyrics quizzers, where we left off - lets continue ! Even poking your head in and typing - 'Hi guys - you have a good day !' - seems like a very flexible environment to do so in.

I look forward to exchanging thoughts, and just listening sometimes, if thats what you need...... :)

We can, but don't need to talk about Gordon, I can see some rambling thoughts unfolding about his music as a subject, but by no means a pre-requisite. The only prerequisite is wanting to talk, to listen, or do both, and help foster a warm friendly place to sit in the deep leather recliners in here by the fire, (work with me here and just picture it lol ) and share.

Think of it as a 'Holodeck' - if you know what that is - and walking into a little bagels and coffee place, and finding a sympathetic ear, or being one. If thats not enjoyable, I don't know what is. Also lately, the talk ran high as Gord would say in Lyrics Quizzers, which I am trying to transport to here, on musteries of putting together family notalgia found in center desk drawers and little boxes. I *really* look fwd to talking about that, and anything that strikes you.

We could even (maybe) democratically consider saying - I (geo-steve) just came in as of 1:30 pm. and am hanging out for maybe 15 minutes, so others can refresh their screens, and know I or anyone else is in here. Is it a good idea ? Yes/No/Maybe lol ? - Tak to you later. Or listen ;)

Your thoughts on what this thread could be should be are welcome too !

[RM]

Well......let me be your first customer...(I assume a prize is merited).

What's the house specialty ?

[charlene]

I'll have a Tim's double double please.. ;)

[BILLW]

I'll have a Tim's double double please.. ;)

If Tim's the boy that makes those donuts up in your neck of the woods I'll take two too !

Bill :)

[geodeticman.5]

Well......let me be your first customer...(I assume a prize is merited).

What's the house specialty ?

as a matter of fact - you DO win a door prize - RALPHE bring it dat old door frame we busted out in da remodel e ? We gots are foist patsy -uyh I mean customer, welcom soy how iz ya ?

I opened at an odd hour my first day. I don't even have the foist dollar from you'se guys yet to have the chambre a horrors put it in da frame, ya know waddeye mean ? e ? lol


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OK this I think is only to work , now that I actually thought of it intelligently (stop laughing Char) if two or more of us are in here simultaneously; OR one person leaves a post like , well, duh like you guys did lol....OK....er....

Madaam, The Housse Spesiality isss Pigs Ears. Fried to a crackly crunch. Dogs love em, but danged if we can't get a humannn in hya. No, actually the house specialty is a club sandwich, served by the fireplace in the club chirs at a reversible poker table. E're you go lady - ejoys it ewhile de meat and cheaze are still goid.

[geodeticman.5]

I'll have a Tim's double double please.. ;)

RALPHE The nice lady in the green dress wants to get SNNOCKERED - er.. I mean she wants a double - a waddever eze havvin e ? How are ya der toots ? I mean mydamn, er I mean mam ma'am whadever -how iz ya fancy lady ? We get lots a dem in here. know aa aaa... wad I mean ? lol

Truth be told - I tried posting a welcome from lyrics into here - couple of people were eliciting long posts from me on old things found, estate items, old glasses, pocket knives, pocket watches, etc, I just gotta get them in here too. You guys have anything you to uhm..unload , ya know like metalwize ?

All we need is two people in here simutaneously. hmmmm

[geodeticman.5]

If Tim's the boy that makes those donuts up in your neck of the woods I'll take two too !

Bill :)

Donuts - er...uhhh... dat'll bring the fuz er I mean dat''l bring fine uniformed people in here....we get alittle nervous. Ear is a chocolate covered fine donut- only partially eaten er.. we are waiting for out first shipment in the back of the fenc/er I mean the fine foods. Is anybody in here ?

[charlene]

Tim Hortons is a doughnut/coffee place..(Tim was a hockey player)
A double double is a regular coffee with double cream/double sugar..
and i always have a double chocolate doughnut..

[geodeticman.5]

I'll have a club sandwich - which seems to be the house specialty, and enjoy whomever wished to talk - er I can't talk fancy all the time I know I'll be myself. Sorry.. lol
Yea I 'spect I could use a double double too Char ! of that 20 yr old...sniff fine....sniff....old single malt.....-he emotionally opens the ceremonial opening day of a Rare Glen livet - er Glen Cambell - of the Cambell clan finest distillery.lol NAAW here's a double lime gimlet with GIN - give ya a doozy of a hangover thoughy - those 'flavorings... man those'll kill ya in the morning,

[geodeticman.5]

Tim Hortons is a doughnut/coffee place..(Tim was a hockey player)
A double double is a regular coffee with double cream/double sugar..
and i always have a double chocolate doughnut..

ohhh that Tim - yeah you canucks talk abou tim Horton's all the time- how are you Char - really ?

[geodeticman.5]

oh the fancy double decaf no lip x creme talk huh ? sumpin like that - I heard it last in that movie where MelGibson can hear what women are thinking'

[geodeticman.5]

Char - how'd you log out within 3 minures of your post ? lol.... B4 I could reply


anyways how are ya - next time you go thru that revolving door.... that coffee sounds good enough to try - I've never been a coffee drinker.. diet lime pepsi is my worst vice.... and sweets I admit...

[geodeticman.5]

If Tim's the boy that makes those donuts up in your neck of the woods I'll take two too !

Bill :)

Hey Bill - how'd you know about canuck Tim Horton's - over here in Coleraddy we never even hoid of the guy ? I know who he is now- heard it once partially - then Char filled mein in here. I'll gove a double-double decaf x-whip 3 sugar on a tallboy coffee - and a double-double chocolate donut - am I gettin it yet ?

How are ya REALLY Biil ? SaAY whaydaminett - I got a real life question for you Bill. I'll PM you if I don't bump into y ahear.

[charlene]

ya can't get those fancy girly drinks at tims..
gotta go to starbucks or 'second cup' for them.
bill has been up here a few times and it seems found out about Tims.

i'm just fine..off to bed and hopefully some sleep tonight.
be good..

[geodeticman.5]

ya can't get those fancy girly drinks at tims..
gotta go to starbucks or 'second cup' for them.
bill has been up here a few times and it seems found out about Tims.

i'm just fine..off to bed and hopefully some sleep tonight.
be good..


Sorry I missed ya - I was on the phone with friends that want to go to a late showing of a movie - and I missed your perfect logged in at the same time moment. Do we have quick real-time 'Hey you' I'M messaging in hear ? Have a good night Char, thanks.

[Yuri]

Tim Horton's - A Little Slice of Canada


Tim Horton’s Connoisseur
This bird loves his Tim’s

YouTube - Tim Hortons Commercial


Tim Horton’s Rules of Engagement
Air Farce - How to order at Tim’s

YouTube - T - Ho's Rules of Engagement - Tim Horton's

Tim’s In Afghanistan
But Seriously Folks -Tim Horton’s at Kandahar Base In Afghanistan - For All Troops!

YouTube - Two Minutes for Tim Hortons

[geodeticman.5]

Hey there guys - all of you who were gracious enough to come into the thread several times, I say - Thank You.

Today. simply put - w/o histrionics on medical or other stuff you'd rather not here, my day got turned completely upside down, simply stated by 'medical issues' - dang it and I wanted to talk near real-time with you good guys today - and others, too - -last few days the short list - by no means comprehensive - Patti & Lynn, Dave, Mende, Char, Ron - in lyrics -and i think formerlyLavender - had a few off-line (lyrics wise) thoughts it seemed, which we could talk about in here.

- I just gotta figure out how to have any of you who tried today - and all my other friends in corfid...could not possibly list 'em all other than the last three LONG responses of mine in lyrics, those fun talks about 'what was in the chest when I opened it - still to talk of yet' -ppl Patti,Lynn, Dave, Ron, ithers - and all ppl who had kindly made some enjoyable non-lyrics/comments in lyrics - I just wish I could get 'em in here too have 'off-line' talk as we called it in gIS - a neighbor to 'I.T.' - down the hall of my old workplace-type-lingo I guess, which is not what I am all about (Gis - the G - is what I am all about work-wise, but not more than part-time talk on-line - too much really - my 'G'is comments lol, it'll happen in good time IF people are of a mind to enoy the same, we'll see. Anyway the overly-long blabberties were not others, it was MY long posts got out of hand for gaming continuity - Ron wisely pointed out, and correct, too - over 1/2 the provocation for opening shop here. - to whom I wrote longish replies over the last several days - I hope to talk in here with you - as well as bumping into in Lyrics more focused (me) on the game, and bring MY 'should-be off-line blabberty-blabberty' in here.

I am starting to talk circular, so I should close shortly here (ha ! SAYS THE PEANUT GALLERY). Thank you all again who tried during the day - if only I could have been on line at the time...awake and in my groove, despite - my showing logged in - not so head-wise lol (BTW - I OFTEN have -er..for medical reasons- appeance of being on-line logged-in , me-wise-versus my log-in - which I chronically do not have the chance or memory to do-
LOG-OUT's that is,) not possible for -one {more} time I'll say it, then avoid it -for your guy's sake - Seizures - 1/2 hr up to 7 hours lon, as they are quite innocuous - other than being frozen statue stiff, and either falling out my chair if my C.G. is over past my 'center of sitting/standing - then I fall - don't know it till I come to...can be as i said 1/2 hr to several hours - later - and the whole time - I appear to be logged in - cause I could not log out when .... things happen)

Well I wanted to get them/all of you near real-time in here - and I keep... missing... the... mark..... Well call today a bust - life turned upside down - circadian rythm and all - medical things, but want so bad to talk off-line with all of you that posted - I have a real-life question for BILLW - and all of you - plus all my other 'posse' of friends in corfid - lyrics and others - you all today who posted over the last 3-4 days or so on fascinating 'center desk drawer talk' insider-wise to the posts- and maybe 10 -12 others I hope I can really talk in here with. 'Feel-good talk' is what I hope we can all enjoy despite being in a non-chat non IRC 'channel'.

Thanks guys - will talk in here as possible for me and all of you - whenever it comes together...lol..... see you all then/whenever :) :biggrin: :rolleyes:

Anyway- I am open to whatever the nature of ppl coming in are all about.- tal-wise/need-wise and those who were takin too talking in lyrics - and the game was getting obscured by MY long responses, not your posts - so I figured I'll move the enjoyable/nostalgic tomes of mine in hear - and hope the other end of 'em follow - it'll take more than one day to get that going. So if I miss ya the first 4 - 5 times you 4 tried valiantly and patiently today - and I was out like a light til just earlier - then when Char came on around midnight her time - I get cauht on the phone from friends who called - and I miss the first real-tike chance to converse - oh well it'll happen if it shoud - if ppl want to talk as I envisionedin hear - not sure.... - please don't give up..

[luv4lightfoot]

Hey there guys - all of you who were gracious enough to come into the thread several times, I say - Thank You.

Today. simply put - w/o histrionics on medical or other stuff you'd rather not here, my day got turned completely upside down, simply stated by 'medical issues' - dang it and I wanted to talk near real-time with you good guys today - and others, too - -last few days the short list - by no means comprehensive - Patti & Lynn, Dave, Mende, Char, Ron - in lyrics -and i think formerlyLavender - had a few off-line (lyrics wise) thoughts it seemed, which we could talk about in here.



geo-steve, Patti here, I was very sorry to hear that your day got turned completely upside down by medical issues. I hope you are feeling better today.

Everyone here is sending good thoughts and prayers your way, I'm sure.

[geodeticman.5]

geo-steve, Patti here, I was very sorry to hear that your day got turned completely upside down by medical issues. I hope you are feeling better today.

Everyone here is sending good thoughts and prayers your way, I'm sure.

Thank you Patti - I try very hard to not let medical this'n-thats preeed me anymore, but your reponse was very very kind, Thank you so much,

Are the same Patti who asked about the trunks contents of my grandfathers ?

You're by-name looks different than 'Patti' who talked in Lyrics, ?

Doin O0K today 2 :)

[geodeticman.5]

FUNNY videos. Yuri - I now much better what the doulbe-double is about lol

[geodeticman.5]

I wanna bigga sphagetta know wad-eye mean ? I am caving 'pasta' tonight. Know what the diference between spaghetti and pasta is ? About 3 buks at a resteraunt, and 1 buk made at home lol

[Nightingale]

Hey Steve,
Guess what I had for dinner tonight???? Spaghetti :)

You know, your thread about finding old items in desk drawers and trunks made me think of an experience I had a while back.
I was looking up the family history on a website and found my maternal grandmother's information. I had no idea it was there, but a strange twist of fate helped me locate it.

Anyway, my grandmother was an exceptional person in all ways. Very loving and strong...good natured, spiritual...loved the world around her. She was very special.

I always knew that she had come from Kansas and that she had lost her parents at a young age but she never really told me the story.
I found out that she was only five when both of her parents died within a month of each other in an epidemic. I can't remember from what exactly but it also took two of her older siblings.
She was the baby of the family, the other seven children survived the outbreak.

I have to post this much or I will get kicked offline.

[Nightingale]

Anyway, the older children decided to stay in Kansas and try and keep the farm going but sent my grandmother, and two of her sisters, back to Indiana to live. They were taken in by relatives and friends of the family.
My grandmother got married fairly young. Her first pregnancy was twins, born with physical problems that resulted in their death. One died at birth, the other seven months later.
Her husband died a year after my mom was born. He was only 44...grandma was in her late thirties. He left a family of four children for her to care for. Their farm was small but apparently adequate to keep them alive.
She never dated or remarried in all those years and she lived to be 87.

Anyway, it was so strange and touching to read all of the details of her life. Some of it I knew in sketchy terms, but most was new information for me.

I don't know why, but I cried for a long time after I read her story. I think I just remember how cheerful and strong she always seemed to be.
Now that I am a woman, I wonder how she got through all of those lonely years without her husband. It must have been hard to raise the kids and not have any support or anyone to lean on.

[formerlylavender]

Nightingale, your grandmother does indeed sound like a special lady. How cool that you were able to find her information online...sounds like it was meant to be.

I never met either of my grandmothers - I always wondered (especially as a child) what it would be like to have a grandmom around to spoil me, ha ha. My maternal grandmother died before I was born, and my paternal grandmother died when I was about five, but she was in Italy, and I was here, so I never got to meet her.

[Nightingale]

It is kind of interesting to think of how we see our family members when we are young children. I never really thought about her in terms of being lonely or sad. I guess she didn't show it but still, it never occurred to me as a child that she was.

I just thought those thoughts kind of fit in with finding old stuff in drawers and attics. :)
Maybe we appreciate our ancestors more when we remember their good qualities and realize that we must have inherited some of those within ourselves...at least, we hope. :)

I like your idea for the cafe. It's a nice thought to be able to post about anything on your mind.
Hope you are feeling okay.

[Nightingale]

Hi formerlylavender :)
I am sorry you didn't get to experience the special love that grandmothers can give you...nothing else quite like it on earth. :)
I was blessed to have her. She opened my eyes to the wonders of the world at a very young age. It's a gift that I have never lost and it's one of the most precious that she ever gave me.
Yes, finding her information was meant to be. I think their was a divine hand in their somewhere. :)

Italian grandmothers...lol...I have an Italian friend that I love to visit. Her mom and grandma used to cook everything under the sun for me when I would come to see them.
I loved them so much....even though they only spoke Italian and I only spoke English, we always knew what the other was getting at...lol.

[luv4lightfoot]

Thank you Patti - I try very hard to not let medical this'n-thats preeed me anymore, but your reponse was very very kind, Thank you so much,

Are the same Patti who asked about the trunks contents of my grandfathers ?

You're by-name looks different than 'Patti' who talked in Lyrics, ?

Doin O0K today 2 :)


Glad to hear from you, and yes I am the same Patti who lalked in Lyrics. I was getting worried about you. So are you going to write a tween movie? :) Also, did you learn anything new about NASA over the weekend? All I know is that the sky looks a little different than it did a few years ago. Big secrets up above.

[geodeticman.5]

Glad to hear from you, and yes I am the same Patti who lalked in Lyrics. I was getting worried about you. So are you going to write a tween movie? :) Also, did you learn anything new about NASA over the weekend? All I know is that the sky looks a little different than it did a few years ago. Big secrets up above.

OK, 'tseeer: Patti = luv4lightfoot, luv4lightfoot = Patti. I get it !

No worries Patti on day to day ...events in the category I swoar I'd not bore ppl with anymore....( medical ) lol

Naw I was just kidding about the tween movie, I said that 'cause I thought the thing of mystery around it 'The Case of the Locked Trunk" - might make a good Hardy Boys book, With Reserved, clean- cut father 'Fenton W. Hardy, if memory serves lol.... those were actually a fun series when I had a pre-teen mind. I just finished ''em yesterday a hahahha j/k

Also - 'The Case of the Locked Lower Right Desk Drawer' - that would fit in well too, wouldn't it ? Fentow W's desk, should he pass, the boys had standing instructions to open that drawer, entrusted with the key.
One day their friend 'Chet Morton' (I can't believe I remember that !) gets the key, looks in the desk, find diagrams of space - ( ) and area - ( ) in the Nevada desert , and $( ) cash - enough to take the ( ) info, pull up stakes and light a shuck for N.Y. - where the boys were told to tell the N.Y Times that it was true, and here is proof, that ( ) + ( )
were true ! Unbelievable ! Except, Chet attempts to open the drawer, puzzled over the fact that key teeth-up vs key teeth-down should be a 50/50 chance, except when he tried a key, it was ALLWAYS the wrong side up/down ! - Except in the time it took Chet to mull this paradox over, Angry Men in Black Suits came in, standing silently behind the portly-puzzled Chet (which was most of the time ! a lololol) was talking out-loud to himself (he was told by Fenton W. that that was OK, as long was he did not hear voices back), but this time, one of the oddly uniform-looking men, aknost out OF A MOLD said "Sorry kid, this time its curtains for your little plan with the key" Chet whirled around, saw they bad men from the warehouse district, which was a portentious omen if anything was... and he dove out of the propped-open window of the Mysterious Shed on the Coast, and he did a 230 ft. triple-lindy down into the black waves of Port Kindfolk, swam to the restored boat that Fenton worked on with the boys on weekends to keep them out of bad things, like 7-11 and McDonalds, and Chet managed, despite his slightly rotund (!) not-so athletic but good natured (!) physique, he was able to pull himself into the boat, dripping wet, and Luck-be-a-lady the Key-to-the-Boat in the Ignition, the boat, known up and down the port area, named 'Sleuth' (I can't believe I remember that), spar-varnished Teak beaty that it was, roared to life, and he took off, towards where his Yellow deuce coop was parked, but instead, he saw he was being chased - by a black boat ! (next chapter).

You mean that kind of tween's movie ? lol Actually, that was all a spoof of what I am amazed was the format of almost every 'Hardy Boys' book I ever read (I had them all). I wonder of kids still read those. I have a feeling they are reading 'The Godfather' by age 9 now.

Thanks for the concern Patti - but I never made it up to Longmont. Simply put, some days my eyes don't permit me to drive, for reasons that would violate my informal promise to stop talking medical. I was really disappointed, too, because I REALLY wanted to know what was in the lower right hand drawer. !!!! I'm thinking area-51, proof of alien life, you name it, Elvis is alive and is playing in a Polka Band in Parma, Ohio - SOMETHING AMAZING ! lol oh-well - I'll try next weekend. I'll keep you in suspense one more round of posts, then I'll tell you what I found in the trunk when i was nmmm, about 21. THAT was the basis for the Goonies- type movie I meant lol ..... I treally DID have some VERY interesting things in it, no surprise for a Deputy U.S. Postal Inspector who had hair-raising duty in WWII , and after, in the postal re-contruction my grandfather did. Yea, the trunik had some real puzzles in it, and some vintage items.......I'll tell you next time and hopefully will have the desk open by then , too. Maybe you will be reading front-page news about it if the Angry Men in Black Suits get to me..... Maybe I should have my Swiss Army knife I call 'champ' with me, to get out of a car trunk, McGyver-style ! lol...... CU later.... .....and 'Sleuth' the boat.... lol

[jj]

I'll have an order of codeine rich cough syrup...this flu thing has had me hackin' 3 entire nights...good news is i won't have to do any stomach crunches for the next month (not that this was part of the original agenda) ...bottoms up

[luv4lightfoot]

I understand Steve is hoping for meaningful thoughts from you of any kind; Lightfoot or not. And in keeping with that, here is a thought on my mind all day:

... I hope my youngest son is doing well. He moved to Missouri 2 1/2 weeks ago. I just shipped down a package of some things that I had gathered up around the house, that he might like to have. I kind of miss him once in a while.

Geo-steve, yes, I am the same Patti that held a great-grandfathers pocket watch from a center desk drawer, tried on glasses that just happened to be the same strength as mine, ...(my grandfather didn't wear glasses, so I'm pretty sure they belonged to my grandma's dad.) I felt some type of a good connection back then somehow, just knowing that we were related and even though I never met him, it was just nice to be able to do that. They got the place in 1901.

I hope you find something good in that right hand desk drawer from your dad, ... what could it be? An alien? I know there are guys racing around for rocks and minerals all the time. Do you think it has to do with nasa? Or maybe some personal item? Just having his desk back must be nice too. That's good they found it.

Strange, but right after I heard about the desk, my mom brought up the subject of that violin, (actually fiddle)and told me that my brother (one of my brothers) has it at his place. So, as it turns out, my sister (one of my sisters) didn't sell it... Still, it's missing.

btw, it was my Dad that played the harmonica, and I have him on cassette.

[timetraveler]

Bottom line opener for the thread: you can skip the rest of my longer writing just after this, and post something on your mind amongst friends - Lightheads, talk about anything, friendly, good taste, and enjoyment of company to share thoughts with. - 'geo'-steve

More on the same, or skip it if you want:

Hey guys. I caught myself enjoying so much writing of, and listening to nostalgic memories, old pictures, unlocked drawers in desks found 6 years later, hearing of green boxes with the key found elsewhere , and everyone comparing what they found in their grandfather's or father's desks ! Thats just for starters !

My main motivation is I started occupying so much of the space in lyrics quizzers, we couldn't see the game entries for the long replies from me ! - From the modest posts from others.

Please join me in posting absolutely whatever is on your mind. Quite often one given thought - such as "I found a War Medal my father never spoke of", or- I am having such a &^%&*(* Day I don't know but what I am going to burst ! LOL , or I was real down, until I logged in, and somebody had posted a PM to me, it gave me the lifted spirits to continue my work...... Things like those , and anything that strikes you as worth sharing with others.

I really like the idea of a thread where metaphorically you can picture going into a coffee shop, or what have you, sit down, and share interesting stories that may not quite warrant a thread, but fit just right in here no matter how short they may be, or how much 'bending an ear you need to get through a rough spot in the week, or day, and chat about whatever strikes you.

All things are open for discussion in here, including inspiring quotes, or stories.

All I ask is that we follow the normal stds. of decency and good taste that is normally expected of us elsewhere in all of Corfid, and envision Florian, Char, and yes, The Man - Gordo, sitting on our shoulders and listening, too.
Otherwise stated - if we follow the golden rule in here, and we share such great storied that started unfolding in Lyrics quizzers, where we left off - lets continue ! Even poking your head in and typing - 'Hi guys - you have a good day !' - seems like a very flexible environment to do so in.

I look forward to exchanging thoughts, and just listening sometimes, if thats what you need...... :)

We can, but don't need to talk about Gordon, I can see some rambling thoughts unfolding about his music as a subject, but by no means a pre-requisite. The only prerequisite is wanting to talk, to listen, or do both, and help foster a warm friendly place to sit in the deep leather recliners in here by the fire, (work with me here and just picture it lol ) and share.

Think of it as a 'Holodeck' - if you know what that is - and walking into a little bagels and coffee place, and finding a sympathetic ear, or being one. If thats not enjoyable, I don't know what is. Also lately, the talk ran high as Gord would say in Lyrics Quizzers, which I am trying to transport to here, on musteries of putting together family notalgia found in center desk drawers and little boxes. I *really* look fwd to talking about that, and anything that strikes you.

We could even (maybe) democratically consider saying - I (geo-steve) just came in as of 1:30 pm. and am hanging out for maybe 15 minutes, so others can refresh their screens, and know I or anyone else is in here. Is it a good idea ? Yes/No/Maybe lol ? - Tak to you later. Or listen ;)

Your thoughts on what this thread could be should be are welcome too !Sounds like you have a good idea there. Very interesting one actually.

[luv4lightfoot]

I like the idea too.

Hey Nightingale, I liked reading about your grandmother. That is good you got to find out some things about her. There seems to be thoughts, places, info., etc. that make the grandchildren connected somehow. My maternal grandmother was one of twins, and boy and a girl. Their mother died when they were 14. My grandma lived with her aunt, but they didn't get along. Once, I saw my grandmas braids that she kept. She cut them off when she ran away. Later, she got married and had 15 kids.

[luv4lightfoot]

She raised them on an island in Lake Superior. Some of the children died when they were young. That must have been terribly painful for the family. I used to go to the island alot to visit grandma and grampa when I was younger. I always loved being there. I always felt loved and cared for.My grandpa died when I was in grade school and my grandma died when I was 17. I only went to the island a few times after that. In 2003, I went camping there. I felt so good to be there again, and I loved hearing the waves coming in at night. Now, I'm missing that place again.

[luv4lightfoot]

Just thought this might fit in here somewhere.



YouTube - America - Lonely People (live)

[geodeticman.5]

OK hi guys here's one of those talk about anything posts I figured on too. I enjoybed your posts - all of them , and the last couple , Nightingale and luv4lightfoot - very interesting. If this thread lasts, I'll betcha that (don;t beat me up now, its onnly a guess) - we''ll see that woman will tedn to talk about relationships. whereas men tend to shy from that. men like to talk about, from my experience, well all told everything too, but I think men tend to have talk run along lines of things - not in the materialistis sense - but things they work on everyday, not intentionally necessarily - like when my 'dear' -oof- mother-in law was helping Mery make candles. When Merry reached the point where she needed to pout-out some excess hot wax, my mother-in-law (that means the law says I have to be nice to her lol) suggested pouring it down the sink. Now here we have the sometimes-true-not allways case in point of HOW guys think of things - if I had been there I would have said 'Oh no God no - do know what that would do to the garbage disposal and p-trap or j-trap under it ? aaaag but while Merrry and Marg were pouring it carefree down the sink, not surprisingly it came to Merry first "do you know what that will do when it cools down in the garbage disposal and the pipe things under neath ? it'll turn solid..... it occurred to her in fact just after she did it.

Marg went quickly home as it was getting time for me to get home from work, and she feared what would ensue - she thinks all men are the mean nasty shouting S.O.GEEZ theres a breez in hear, isn't there ? - like my father-in law is....he truly is a mean man - and I don;t talk that way of ppl hardly ever - he's made all 5 childrens life miserable - telling his 52 and 55 yr old son - here is how they have to build there fence or deck, etc.- and they FEAR him. He exploits this tactic. Well its been proven long ago in studies that fear is a failry workable short-term motivator with bad side effects, and a terrible long-term motivator, and positive reinforcement is a good long term motivator with some rather neutral results at first.

Well I got home,and Merry was like Laura Petrie on the Dick Van Dyke show - she was talking nonsense for about a minute then broke into tears just like the show, and said 'steve...oh..steve I heated that and then I didn;t know and then I pourd it and we ewre making and the3n it was down there and I thought oh no.... what have I done I am so sorru Ohhhhohhhh 'wait aminute honey, slow down a bit, you were making what? 'candles......' soooo you qwere...melting hot wax....thinking to myself oh no... but said 'ok thats meant did you make some I can see with a wiock andall ? 'Yes...but......."sshhhshh its ok so then what?' 'Well we were heating and then we were poutring it anmf/' ' and I did the time out handsignal, and said slow down, one thing at a time. Why don;t you simply tell me what is was you are worrying about (allready thinking of the $350 we have left in checking and the phone and electric bill left for the month....) 'well...... I...II i I POURED HOT WAX but mom was Mom saod, or suggested it ,she said - whydon;t you poor down the hot wax down the sink' 'sssssssso so yyyyyou uhm.... poured a little wax ? -

forced grin-' 'NO it was alot, in a saucepan..... 'OKKKKK, uhm uhm its ok honey, uhm,,,,,I'll bet you poured it down the left side of th e sink right ' 'NOOOOO boo-hoooo I poured it down the GARBARGE DISPOSAL THERE. i SAID IT. AN i AM SOO SORRY i DID NOT KNOW i DIDN;T THINK i DID WHAT MOM SAID.. i../.' 'SHHS SHHHH ITS ok ok o k (mentally adding up the hatdwarestore trip fix and the worst position to fix things in - crouching on your folded knees, on your feet, where your knees never ever open again...... and I added up $110 or so in my mind , picturing a j-bend 1 1/4" thick candle-cane, under a waxed-solid disposal.) - its ok honey - I' know how to fix it.... ' i CAN TAKE some extra typing in - Joe has a tape I can typor uo - thats probably $40 ! will that cover it?" "well - lets not worry abou tthat until we get there - takin in the typing if you can swing it would be great, thank you Honey" -

I looked and poked, probed, flashlight in one hand, a 3-watt luxon LED multi led light - (things,see ?) and in the ither hand my trusty Leatherman, and a wire cote hangar. Just for s's and g;g I tried the switch - rmmmmmmmmmmmmmunh. 'well it seems to have cooled off honey - thats good huh >' 'you're just being nice - you probably want tosay how stupid that i was, and how mad you are and we cant afford it right > boo ohooo -she knew i didn't talk that way to her hardly EVER....she was buying sympathy but truly felt bad,....lol....' 'no no no accidents happen.

Remember when our best friends Mike N Pam - they let their kids play with a bleach spray bottle, and we JUST had had deep forest green carpeting installed in the re-model ? and it ,made the big white spot ? AAnd they did not offer to pay ? These things hapenn. Its ok honey. Besides - its friday night, and I can think about going to the hardware store you know I love that ruh ruh ruh Tim Allen noises to make her laugh.
nope 'BOO HOOOO I've wrecked your whole weekend and probably your back wil go out again...and (I was thinkin - no, my knees and neck) and I've just runied everything I know (lip quivering) so i tried a reverse expected response to shake her out of it and make her laugh... '" Yeah guess you did ruin absolutely everything - the whole house, the cars, Mamie will grow up bad now,, and I'll turn into a sterno drinking squeeze case- and we'll live in a refrigerator box..lol..."

- and she put her hands on her hips arms akimbo (that;s the only time that word is used, isn't it - a mad woman) 'very funny ha ha ha - then she did laugh... and I wrecked my knees and back and it cost $150 dollars.... and took all weekend with dad - on the phone telling mr which color wire went where..... and I tried to do the joke on the phone with dad like I had a bomb and did not know whether to cut the blue or red wire - and the house would go up.....-and dad said 'quit messin around steve the Broncos are on..... just put the darn green wire......etc so -I got fresh Christmas cookies from merry out of the deal- my grandmas famous heart-attack recipe, and all was well. Meery was very polite to me that weekend - and I soaked up the attention = ooohh my back - merry can you get 'Some more ice -sure sweety and do you want another cookie" etc....

So that only partially illustrated very few aspects of my thesis , but what the heck. I read gear catalogues over the best tent and the best pack and rope to buy (back then) , now I read pocket watch and knife and leatherman collectors things, and maps maps maps.... whereras merry would tend to read the Woman's home stuff and how to get sympathy when you;ve poured hot wax down the disposal" magazines. And ten things men do;t like to hear when they get home. And ten re4asons why they better listen or you'll sock it to em lol !


jj hope your throat or cough gets better watch that codine or youll turn into a dope fiend and sit in a cirner rocking back and forth lol naaaw
thats all for now. I gotta figure out how to eat right now that merry is gone. I eat junk and heat-up microwave things - i don;t know how to cook. cu all later,

[geodeticman.5]

Anyway, the older children decided to stay in Kansas and try and keep the farm going but sent my grandmother, and two of her sisters, back to Indiana to live. They were taken in by relatives and friends of the family.
My grandmother got married fairly young. Her first pregnancy was twins, born with physical problems that resulted in their death. One died at birth, the other seven months later.
Her husband died a year after my mom was born. He was only 44...grandma was in her late thirties. He left a family of four children for her to care for. Their farm was small but apparently adequate to keep them alive.
She never dated or remarried in all those years and she lived to be 87.

Anyway, it was so strange and touching to read all of the details of her life. Some of it I knew in sketchy terms, but most was new information for me.

I don't know why, but I cried for a long time after I read her story. I think I just remember how cheerful and strong she always seemed to be.
Now that I am a woman, I wonder how she got through all of those lonely years without her husband. It must have been hard to raise the kids and not have any support or anyone to lean on.

Nightingale - wow... you mother must have been a very very strong woman.
tending 4 children AND tending a farm enough to eat....goodGOD... that is the fiber Anerica is made of...oo woopswI can't remember if you are Canadian lol.....and thats the roughage Canada is made of ! = - you know - the healthy thing thing,,, fiber..., roughage, well, I guess you can't have moral roughage lol as Roseann Roseannadanna said 'Never Mind'

[Nightingale]

Hi Patti,
Loved hearing about your grandmother , too. 15 children!!!! I can't even imagine that. She must have been a very busy lady.

Your island sounds nice. I have no doubt it's a special place and that it is peaceful and full of memories for you. Sounds like you love it very much there.

I hope your son is happy in his new home. It's hard when you miss them. I hope he keeps in touch with you.

Love the America video...such a great song and perfect for our thread.

[Nightingale]

Hi Steve,
Loved your story about the hot candle wax and Merry :) I think that was pretty smart of you to use a little reverse psychology on her to help her get over being so upset. You sound like you were a wonderful husband and friend to her....good for you :) Makes lots of wonderful memories for you to treasure.

Yes, my grandmother was a very strong and able woman. I know she must have suffered for the loss of her family at such a young age....then her own children and husband. She never seemed sad or bitter....always loving and kind.

I am American :)

jj, hope you are well by now. I have been getting over the flu, too. It's one nasty bug! :(

[luv4lightfoot]

Nightingale,
Yes, that island is is a beautiful place. It has quite a history and I feel revitalized being on the soil. Rosy (the doog) loved being there too. She kept digging at the shore and watching the holes fill up with water. She was so excited about that.

Steve,
So, you are still keeping me in suspense or did those angry men in the black suits get after you? I hope you are able to get to Longmont soon if you haven't already. Last weekend I was watching some show about UFO's and they were showing these certain planes and helicopters that go in and grab what ever fell tothe earth right away. Once I think I may have seen two of those planes. They were near a road that isn't traveled on much and the engines were left running. They were white with the red stripe, and I don't think they had numbers or letters on them. They were very clean, or new looking. I felt a little curious about them. When I drove by again a little later, they were gone, but I saw a shoe that didn't look weathered at all. Maybe someone didn't have time to put it back on.

[luv4lightfoot]

Nightingale, Here is something I found about 'my' island.

http://indiancountrynews.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1425&Itemid=122

[geodeticman.5]

Nightingale,
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Steve,
So, you are still keeping me in suspense or did those angry men in the black suits get after you? I hope you are able to get to Longmont soon if you haven't already. Last weekend I was watching some show about UFO's and they were showing these certain planes and helicopters that go in and grab what ever fell tothe earth right away. Once I think I may have seen two of those planes. They were near a road that isn't traveled on much and the engines were left running. They were white with the red stripe, and I don't think they had numbers or letters on them. They were very clean, or new looking. I felt a little curious about them. When I drove by again a little later, they were gone, but I saw a shoe that didn't look weathered at all. Maybe someone didn't have time to put it back on.

WELLLLLL MY RESPONSE (YAWN LOL) IS OVER 17,000 CHARACTERS, SO I HAVE TO POST IT AS PART 1,2, & 3.

HEAR IS PART ONE. PART 2 & 3 HAVE MORE IMO INTERESTING DETAILS ON NASA stuff.....

PART ONE OF 2 - STEVE'S RESPONSE ON WHAT 'MIGHT' BE IN Dad's locked desk drawer(JUST FUN SPECULATION, versus what LIKELY is in it.... paperwork for .....details for ageing and sad things... but now that the desk has been FOUND !!! at the moving company - I had BETTER READ it as I am mom (surviving) and dad's (passed away) executor.

I AM a man in black. a G-man. well, on medical standby for a couple years....

What you saw....was NOTHING to worry about AT ALL. Just look into this right here....(lets see, 3 hours back ought to do it......wait, no - she said she once saw them... better set this for 20 years...hmmm) M'am are you married ?
(hmm I beter set it on 20 years and hope for the nest. Her husband will be confused, but probably just keep watching the game...hmmm please look right into this device ma'am) lol... Wait a minute though lol.. for real.. you saw 2 planes on the ground with engines left running ? Hmm, that IS VERY STRANGE. And the shoes - did they have a steel shank and emit a strong residual electro-magnetic molecule alignment of the hematitie in them ? Thats an iron ore to you civilians.... ppl have it in their brains, too - really - some scientists, or analysts say(ever notice how the media says generically "analysts say' on the news, about any recent science or money-related thing - and when the Gov. made me an analyst - I only said one thing to the media....lol) or something... said that early nomadic peoples (the plural is correct there , different PEOPLES) may have navigated south to warmer climes by the hematite orienting to noth in thiermind and they did not even know how.... they speculate that about south/north seasonal migration of migratory bird/mammal species too..

As far as that shoe you saw that was not weathered....othing to worry about ma'am... just means that the person worked indoors....one shoe ? - hmmm

Sorry I did not get to Longmont yet....I am going CRAZY with curiosity on whats in the desk....and the trunk - I'll write about that this week...I am up late and very tired now...sorry to keep you in suspense.... on 'up to Longmont' to see the trunk - its 'cause of thing s i've vowed to not bore ppl with anymore....(but you asked so I will anyway lol) its medical - after eye operations from injuries to my eyes in the head injury, I've had to get very strange eye operations I've never heard of before... 'strabismus surgery' - sounds like a violin, doesn't it ? as in "Why yes, please get me some grey Poupon mustard, and DO bid for me on that SPLENDID Stramismus Violin" lol... naw - all they do IS TAKE YOUR EYEBALLS OUT AND PUT WIRES INSIDE your EYES -POKING OUT AROUND YOUR FACE AND ADJUST YOUR EYES LIKE HEADLIGHTS BEING POINTED STRAIGHT AT THE GARAGE DOOR....LOL.sorry... actually its true - and only an analogy on the garage door...they adjust your eyes when you're halfway out of anaesthetic , and just sorta mumble - ok now I see just one...no wait..two..wait there. no there....etc - and they manually adjust your eyeballs literally to eliminate your double-vision from a head-injury - when the vision is worse than 8 diopters - under which they can do it in your glasses with prisms - which eye do have... but the surgery is usually done several times, hence they call it an 'iterative' surgery...I'm on my third round coming up - its nasty....after your eyes point right, (tricking your brain - which is bolloxed-up from the head-injury anyway) then they tie-off the clipped ligaments - or whatever the little string things are from your muscles to your eyes on 4 points around.....sounds gruesome... it is..... ANYWAY - one thin I lost is all peripheral vision - glasses or not, and I can;t see the keyboard when I type, or step on the cat..YEEEAAAAAIIICXCKE lol....

Point being,,,,, after all that unneccessary detail, my driving is so bad it would be humorous were it not unsafe..... but some days are better than others and I only drive on them.....and evven then....the car in front of me turns into 2,3,or 4 cars - so I jusr pick the car in the middle lol...naaww,,, it does happen - but I close one eye, and then there is only one car....somewhere....lol. So I have to cqarefully pick my days to d rive...and so far I have not had a safe weekend to go up and see if the drawer has alien stuff, or probably just documents, bevause I am mom and Dad's (Dad is gone, now) executor on their will. My big brother is mad about that.... but he wasallways a mean -spirited boy and stole things,,,, with perfe4ctly , well, outstanding parents = sometimes there is no explaining it.... and isnt it weird that at 50 -and my brother is 54 - that I still call him my BIG brother ? lol well, he is bigger in the belly - REALLY BIGGER. ITS the strangest thing,.he is skinny as a beanpole - no muscle - he never played outside as akid , and never was in sports...and so has no muscoe development, but he skinny with this fat, fat big belly - he looks like an alien. Speaking iof whicvh - you dang me eyes/typing sorry - you said something about when they come to pick up the think from outer space.... the men in black... OK...now...this is real what I'm gonna tell you...and ots not secret, or I wouldn;t know... to start - did u see the movie Andromeda Strain - about the very small saucer/disc/spavecraft that landed in a small toewn and spread an alien bacterium that wiped out a whole town, and the scientists (and analysts!) worked in a facility called Wildfire, concealed 5 stories deep under a cornfield ? (a movie based on a Michael Crichton novel- very good book and movie... all fake so far....sorta....and after they retrieve the 'thing' from outer space - and took it to the Wildfire facility - which was for that event - and each successive level was progressively greater decontamination for the scientsists z9and analysts !) andd they figured it out just seconds before the whole facility had a protective nuclear device to wipe-out any diseased dspacething if the scientsis and doctors could not figure itour ? Well. here is the juicy part...... I asked Dad once.... and he was truly - Director of the Uhmanned Launch Vehicles Program (Rockets and placing satellites in orbit and sending interplanetary craft on their way - like Mariner Viking Surveyor, OAO , Helios..Pioneer, etc..... well he rebuilt an old scrapped cold war era rocket z9my DAD) named ATLAS - a former military ICBM-dsorta type rocket... well he was given that and told make it a working riocket... and told to build a seperate rocket to finxh delivery of above payloads... That rocket he called the Centaur.. (all rockets generally are named after mythical greek gods etc except miulitary)and he designed them to work together and the combo - the Atlas-Centaur Rocket - you can look it up in NASA web-site if you want - but the combo of the two has been called America's "spacecraft workhorse" - even so, 1 out of every 3 would blow up om the pad in the beginning of the program - '58 and a few years of oo-pses 3-400 million at a tme....oops Well he worked put of Cleveland's (go figure) NASA SITE Called the LERC - Lewis Research Center.... where we lived and he did all kinds of top[ secret things the higher up he got, until he got to the 4th from the top of NASA - dad had a brain like no ther - I WISH I was half as smart lol..
OK ANYway - oh - if you wanna look him up check NASA'S gome web site - and look up (I'll PM you if you want our last name) - anyway 'Russ's Scissors"
- the modern stage-sepoerator he invented, and patemted....but he is listed about 450 times in NASA's on-line history.

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PART TWO OF THREE PARTS NOW - POSTING CHARACTERS LIMITS.
CODED AND ENCRYPTED DOCUMENT j/k -NAMED 'DAD'S DRAWERS',(lol) AND WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENTS COULD BE IN THEM, AND TRUNKS......

and Oddly more so at their main WEBSITEa for the whole country - and not as much at all at the LERC - turned into Glenn Research center when Glenn Died. If you look upo Atlas Centaur rocket - you'll get him anyway -shown out of date as the 'Deputy Director of Unmanned Launch Vehicles" - he even worked on and laucnhed the Voyageur instellar craft on its loooooong way out of the solar system and trajectory is to the nearest Star - one of the 4 wuth the same name - but abour 4 light yearw away - (one light year is hoe far light will travel in one year - at 186,000 miles per SECOND x 3600 = MPH = about 6 trillion miles. Times 4 again to our nearby friendly star (relatively speaking) Alpha Centuri as I recall - it'll take untol yearw to get there...and it was intially sent into pin-point trajectory from Dad's Atlas-Centaur rocket(s) first to the sun... and then around the back, barely missing getting caught in its gravimetric pull, and by using that pull, and a thing called conservation of energy and momentum- its orbit around the back of the sun getting closer and closer...then whooosh! out the other side in what is now known to Science Fiction fans as the very real whiplash (I canlt remember simple words tonight....its very similar to whiplash dang-it...andway - Dad invented the process) whereby as it comes out the back side -it is accelreated in the vcase of Voyageur I & II, they started out at just under 25,000 MPH to get out of the earth's gravitational constant z0you knoe I think I am remberiong that term wrong, too..... some times.....sorry...) well, anyway - you can't leave the earth's gravitational pull until youare going around 24,000 MPH - think about that a second...... Dad as flight director too, like the guy in Apollo 13 Houston Mission Control - wearing the home made white vest from his wife - the guy played by Ed Harris - thatsw the roll Dad played when unmanned mission were launched on his rocketZ9s) (I can brag on him now that he has passed, in his memeory..! lol) welll, after going cvfrom 0 mph on the launchpad, help up by the gantry, the launch I got to go to when I was a hod. was .....incredible... the HUGE ampunt of earth-shaking fire and thrust...several million pounds of thrust...it eould go from 0 - 25,000 MPH in less then 8 minutes.... take that to the dragstri[p lol....BUT the best is yet to come - and then Andromeda Strain thing, in case I'm losing your interest.... so its deployed into spacein the final stage on top of the Atlas(which WernerVon Braun told dad would never work - the Atlas that is...) and then final stage - Dad's all new from scratch - in the 60's and 70's - The Centaur rocket - would deploy in this case - the Voyageur on its way first to the sun at about 23,000 MPH , into a barely too tight an orbit around the sun, to delibeterately pull it in asit goes, thereby increasing speeed by virtue of gravity -eg the whiplash effect - I am remebering the wrong word on....duhhhh... and get this..... it was in the Guiness Book for a few years as the fastest machine ever built by man,,, - the Voyageur1 coming out of the back side of the sun - and at the ladst calculated second -whooosh pulls away from the sun..... and is here is the word lollolol i remembered - not whiplash - thatsme... its Slingshot..effect - Dad invented it ! really ! abd as it comes Slingshot gravitationally accelreated by the sun - it came out at 140,000 mph +/- 1 -2 thousand MPH wowwwww.....and then.....as Newton pointed out quite astutley - an object in motion willremain in motion until something slows it down....and in zero-G - nothing to sow it diown ! so its been literally drifting - out of fuel by design at the incredible speed of 140,000mph for decades now....and just recently left the solar system..... and is on its way at that speed... to our nearest stellar neighbor....I am remebering sorta tonight it is Alpha Centuri....(1,2,3 or 4) - when they launnched it at Cape Kennedy/Canaveral (they keep changing names) they did know yet there were 4 of those stars all together in our line of site, before the Hubble telescope... well, on its way - that speed having been in the guiness book, not now... it carries our message if HEllo - mathematically-geared language - unversal language we hope - to convert to english, with a sort of time-capsule inside - bits and pieces of all different types of mankind's knowledge on the first CD ever made inside it...it was gold colored - I got to look at it.... or one like it... not in the clean-room.. andoutside the spacecraft,. is abrass plaque with a man and woman illustrated ala National Geogrpahic style lol...with hands up in hello fashion...and a solar-system map of us, and ur relationship to Alpha Centuri... and in about 3,060 years by my quick calc at 140,000 mph for 4 light years away ( thats a total distance it will travel if nothing hits it, deflects it, or slows it down = a distance of VERY roughly 24 TRILLION MILES - EQUIVALENT TO 4 LIGHT YEARS CONVERTED TO MILES, BASED ON A LIGHT-YEAR BEING HOW FAR A BEAM OF LIGHT, UNINHIBITED, WILL TRAVEL IN A YEAR - AT 186,000 MILES PER SECOND, AND THE TRILLION MILES FIGURE ALONE IS = { A TRILLION IS A THOUSAND TIMES A THOUSAND TIMES A MILLION)...if it misses the star cluster there -it'll sail on right by the star- at 140,000 MPH..OR....we hope... it'll be intercepted by intelligent aliens who are playing the lol big CD in their WalkAliens headset.....and assimilate all our knowledge in one nanaosecond....lol... well its the first crack at an interstellar shot...and I;d say dad's made his mark in his lifetime... but overall POINT being.... THE CRAFT shownin the movie Andromeda strain - faintly resembles the spacecraft that comes to earth....without burning up (which it would unless made from "alien-3 teflon titanium" and brings alien bacteria... so.. the BIG Q ????? does NASA have a lab like 'Wildfire' - the Presidential code name (i.e. Mr President - we have a NASA Wildfire)for alien ship has crashed or leisurely landed - lets see if it has strep throat lab... does it really exist like in the movie ??? I got to ask him....nobody else in the family thought too.... and unfortunately, the answer .... is YES !!1! sort of...he said....quite like it, just not so dramatic or hidden under a cornfield... thats for missile-silohs......so we DO have an alien-lifeform super-duper-bacterium/virus. And, no... you're insurance won't cover the medicine against it lol.... the lab is designed to detect what IS ON the craft - if it did not rather likely burn-up in re-entry, and/or the heat of re-entry does not decontaminate it for us. The part he did his characteristic 1 minute pause on, then 5 more minutes... was when I asked him IF astromauts who go on EVA's - extra-vehicular-activities - aka go outside the space shuttle etc... - do THEY go through a decontamination....and he fnally said well, ......thats the manned program... I do the unmanned thing. The manned program has quote:'terrible QA/QC - thats why I chose the unmanned when given the choice'.....- scarey thought.

He would not explain any fears or possible hazards of the manned program, other than he said early on - before the shuttlecraft - that particualrly was the project "to keep NASA alive" a year before he retired young at 52...and he said "the shuttlecraft was sold to congress on a cost-effectiveness justification snowjob that said it would actually turn a profit aka in Gov't as 'cost-recovery' - as profit - in Gov't is constitutionally illegal- obviously not in the taxpayers' interest. The 'cost recovery' - ostensibly was putting privately-built companies' tele-communication satellites in orbit etc.... but he figured out that the numbers they gave congress - not from his unmanned desk.... were based on launching once a week. lol. The three Shuttles built planned on being perenially functional are not.... we've had a few sad kabooms....and they never could even come remotely-close to launching at that interval, and moreover -HE SAID THEIR QA/QC was so bad for a manned spacecraft it was frightening - and he forecasted disaster for it of unknown type to him, but he DID say the o-rings on the solid-fuel boosters were lousy as I recall, and'he would not fly one of those things' - the way the program and spacecraft were designed on a shoe-string budget..... scarey.... andhard for him to talk about when he did.

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He (MY Dad) spoke very highly though, of the manned missions Engineering quality through both SKYLAB (REMEMBER THAT ? - A LAB AS BIG AS A 3 BDRM HOUSE) and Apollo which were both launched out of the Earth's atmosphere and up into orbit for Skylab, and the flip-flop deployment of the 3-day mission rocket components into position and pinpoint precision 'attitude' and jettisoned on its way for the roughly 1/4 million mile 3-day trip 'coast' at over 10,000 MPH to the moon - of Apollo missions - guidance he did on both - because they shared the montrous Saturn V Rocket - the only thing Dad did on Skylab and Apollo and specifically on the Saturn 5 Rocket they shared iin common - 365 ft. tall and 7 million pounds thrust - and the Apollo project as well "on the side"- were guidance components, programming, and systems" referred to in the Movie 'Space Cowboys as 'Byzantine guidance programming' on Skylab by the hotshot spoiled kid from MIT - That Clint Eastwood, playing the retired NASA Engineeer who designed the guidance on Skylab in the movie - that in historical fact was my father, but the movie character was NOT based on Dad's life at all lol ).

Dad said he could NEVER put his name on Manned Project vehicles the way they were budgeted and being designed after Apollo and Skylab, and who subsequently were calling the shots. But Dad did truly respect - and was proud to put his guidance systems work into both Skylab (after Apollo missions) and the Apollo project missions-Apollo specifically being Kennedy's - and indeed the Nation's vision - to put a man on the moon by the end of the 60's decade - they did it - but it was one of the most spectacular achievements by mankind in history - and certainly to date then of NASA's.

I'd have to say Dad's proudest - and saddest career moments I could tell later - were the Viking/Mars Missions. Just before he retired,he finished and proudly launched Viking One, in 1975, the very first Mars soft-Lander and on-board geologic core sampler craft - ever to touch down - well, lol,, bounce - by design softly down on Martian soil in the 70's - the touchdown - he proudly saw from his mountain-top retirement home here in Colorado on TV. But when Nasa did it again later in this current decade - it was hailed on Television erroneously as mankind's first Mars soft-landing - and I saw a tear in Dad's eye, but he said nothing. So I had a mission hat made for him, commemorating HIS & his team's first success in the 70's.

BUT WHATS IN THE DRAWER ? I don;t know yet, and I suspect you can hardly read this post at all.... good thing I did not drive up !

If you made it this far reading BRAVO ! you brave hardy soul ! MORE TO COME Later - TRUNKS and drawers..... sounds like BVD's now lol....

[Nightingale]

Hi Patti,
The link for Madeline Island is nice! Very interesting and beautiful island. I think it's interesting all the gifts that people leave on Chief Buffalo's grave site....some are kind of odd though. :) A bouncy ball????
Anyway, thanks for the link. I can see why you like to go there. Nothing more relaxing that the sound of the waves against the shore at night. :)
I love going back to the places that help me to remember my childhood and the people that I love...great feeling. :)

[RM]

Just dropping in to pick up a large coffee, black, and a bagel with cream cheese, to go. Hey, how about 'dem Yankees ? This is their year.

[Nightingale]

Jeez, where did everybody go? :)

[geodeticman.5]

I B here. i'm too tired to say much will read more tomorrow. I need a double double.lol

Nightingale = 'they' are all hiding in the woodwork of this old, old frontiere- building. Formerly a saloon, sometimes you can hear the piano player feintly......

[geodeticman.5]

RM - that'll be $29.95... y'all come back now...how do you like the new pricing scheme ?
-lust tryimg to cover expenses... and the Porche

[geodeticman.5]

I want the 24 OZ Cowboy steak - medium -well, and a bottle of ketchup. And a dinner salald - vinegar and oil, home fries, and key lime pie for dessert.

I'm all for sports, like to play 'em, but the commercialization and pressure put on players now seems more like business.

I'd say currently football is a crypto-fascist metaphor for nuclear war.
Barkeep - (hic) give me a (urp) third triple - a second double - not sure which......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[geodeticman.5]

Patti = there are MAPS !!!!! ON THE Indian Island according to the description! I'm in ! lol

[luv4lightfoot]

http://www.madelineisland.com/images/madelinemap_large.jpg

Here should be a map for you to look at. I like #23.

[geodeticman.5]

http://www.madelineisland.com/images/madelinemap_large.jpg

Here should be a map for you to look at. I like #23.

Cool ! major 'buz' for a cartographer. Thank you for shpwing that . What state did you say these were an....archipelago from ? or...?

Thanks Patti - very cool.

[Patti]

Wisconsin. One of the Apostle Islands. :)

[geodeticman.5]

Hi patti - you get me reply today ? :)

[Patti]

Hi Steve,
Yeah, just a few minutes ago.

[geodeticman.5]

Wisconsin. One of the Apostle Islands. :)

Sounds like very good canoeing waters - I have not looked at map yet, hoping to catch you in here the way the cafe was meant -and we did it !
Is there a BAY , not bar, lol... or harbor of sorts that keeps the waters canoeable ?
Must be a beautiful place to live - ashore anyway, beautiful in the fall I'd imagine

[Patti]

There is canoe rental right there at #23.

[geodeticman.5]

There is canoe rental right there at #23.

I saw map 23 - am i supposed to be able to see more ? Thank y=ou in any event.

[geodeticman.5]

Waiter ! - I'll have a a large mug of tea. Constant comment spice, please.:biggrin:

[Patti]

I mean on the map where it shows Big Bay Town Park, there is a little number 23 there. Anyway, the Town Park is where I saw they were renting out some canoes.

[geodeticman.5]

How are you today Patti ? Good day ? DSaylight savings goes FWD tonight.

[geodeticman.5]

I mean on the map where it shows Big Bay Town Park, there is a little number 23 there. Anyway, the Town Park is where I saw they were renting out some canoes.

oh ok - not the map #23, but that point on the map you showed me...ok

[Patti]

How are you today Patti ? Good day ? DSaylight savings goes FWD tonight.

Oh, cool, I was trying to save some time today.

[geodeticman.5]

I see it (saw it) correctly now, by The Big Town Park. and pt. # 23 in any event - appears on the leeward side, canoing ought to be goor there,

[geodeticman.5]

Oh, cool, I was trying to save some time today.
well you now we actually LOSE an hour tnight figuratively. Sorry to burst your bubble :rolleyes:

[Patti]

It's probably very good there. I've only canoed on inland lakes and on the Brule River. (Brule, WI)

[geodeticman.5]

brb

[Patti]

well you now we actually LOSE an hour tnight figuratively. Sorry to burst your bubble :rolleyes:

Oh, that's ok. Then are we saving daylight?

[geodeticman.5]

Oh, that's ok. Then are we saving daylight?

in relative terms, in the evening, yes. For example, I set mine FWD allready, 4:30 became 5:30, and since it has tended to get dark around 7 here, it''ll get dark at eight. "It was a great act of congress ratified by the president"

[Patti]

Sounds like very good canoeing waters - I have not looked at map yet, hoping to catch you in here the way the cafe was meant -and we did it !
Is there a BAY , not bar, lol... or harbor of sorts that keeps the waters canoeable ?
Must be a beautiful place to live - ashore anyway, beautiful in the fall I'd imagine

I lived there when I was 5. My mom grew up there, so I used to go there a lot when I was younger. I hope to get over there this summer to camp for a few days.

And yes, it is beautiful there in the fall.

[Patti]

in relative terms, in the evening, yes. For example, I set mine FWD allready, 4:30 became 5:30, and since it has tended to get dark around 7 here, it''ll get dark at eight. "It was a great act of congress ratified by the president"

:clap:

[geodeticman.5]

:clap:

was it that good lol ? FYI - Benjamin Franklin originated the idea, or iscredited with it.....he was rather odd, though.......especially after that 3 billion volts down the string to him.... lol

[geodeticman.5]

I lived there when I was 5. My mom grew up there, so I used to go there a lot when I was younger. I hope to get over there this summer to camp for a few days.

And yes, it is beautiful there in the fall.

I'll bet - and also on the flip side. mosquite-ville in the spring and summer ! lol

[Patti]

He was sure into a lot of things, that guy.
3billion?? How'd he get away with that?

[Patti]

..then again, maybe he didn't. Remind me not to try it.

[geodeticman.5]

He was sure into a lot of things, that guy.
3billion?? How'd he get away with that?

its amperage that kills, it is said. But that does not precluded there beingany damage from three million volts. Volts is equated 'quaintly' by water in a garden hose, with a valve on the house. The voltage is analagous to pressure just at the valve , where water 'across' the width of the garden hose is like voltage is neasured across in electricity. Amperage is measured 'though' the pipe. muc as water through the hose, once turned on.
And it is only 'potential' energy. until the water is turned on,and then the power of the water is determined by a few factors that are much like electricity.

Once the electricity is flowing (amperage), the final measurement of tghe powere is volts x amps = watts, a translatable unit of power convertible to other types, such as horsepower. But poer in these instances also involves time - i.e. how much waterat what pressure waiting at the valve - similar to voltage measured across, and then the valve is turned on (analogous to closing an electrical circuit, and it then 'flows' (equiv. to amps) over how much time = work. and work - force x distance. And force = mass (like water) times accelleration (so work = mass x accelleration x distance) all combined , over time, less loss of power in transmission. Best I stop there or
will bore the living 'mass' over time (yawn) out of you ! lol..... I hope that made sense. Waiter - get me a diet lime pepsi !

[RM]

And I'd to order a large Guiness for Mr. Ohms.

[Patti]

Wasn't he holding some key? Think he was able to let go right away when he got struck or ... I don't know, must have been a quick flash. What a nut.

[geodeticman.5]

Sorry , I hope I did not give you indigestion from that poorly worded minor 'vignette' on water and electricity. I've enjoyed the first (as close to as possible) real-time dialogue in cafe ! Thank Patti !

[Patti]

Thanks Steve!

[geodeticman.5]

Wasn't he holding some key? Think he was able to let go right away when he got struck or ... I don't know, must have been a quick flash. What a nut.

well, I'lll have to refresh my memory by reading a 'cliff notes' out of Wokipedia on the whole story, but as I recall, he ws trying to ultimately STORE !!!! the electricity in a jar (duhhhh) and the key as I recall was supposed to be the conductive metal "attraction" (hoo boy) to the jar. As I recall from the 6th grade re-written and sanitized version of the stary, for young minds' safe consumption, I thnk there was a boooy helping, too. Thats great - try to attract a lightning bolt , with a key, a kite string, and an unsuspecting boy, and see what happens. i've read adult-material (ahem - adult-level) material on Franklin, and he was chock full of nuts in eccentricities, predilictions, idiosyncrasies, and maybe thats where the adjective 'nuts' came from, as in 'he is nuts' lol.

However, many of his innumerable inventions have neem industry movers, but one I recall I used every day for about 25 years was a "Franklin-Covey' day minder. Refills with 1/4 of a year about $30. Beautiful leather cover, size of a thick novell., and he had very unorthodox views of time management, where he included personal needs, self-improvement, and etc,. And he prioritized the subjects for you, as I recall.

The special 'Monticello' pages were an extra $5 more too, and they simply had a small picture of Jefferson's hallmark Home 'Monticello', and a quote from Jefferson's venerable wisdom per day. Jefferson was one sharp cookie.

And Jefferson WAS a president. A lot of people think Franklin was a president, but he was not. lol.... better go now and post the new lyrics in quizzers. Awful nice talkin with you Patti, thank you !

[geodeticman.5]

Sorry RM - didn;t see you were in the cafe cause i was writing one of my in-famous tomes to Patti on the nutcase Ben Franklin. Hope you are doing well, and I am going over to lyrics to post the new 10 ! C U there later.

[geodeticman.5]

RM - - i'LL PICK UP THE TAB FOR POOR MISTER OHMS !. Isn't his full name Ohm S. Impedance ? lol cu later sorry i missed u real time Ron

[geodeticman.5]

lets let this valiant effort sink into the murky depths where the sea runs green.... nice idea, thank you all for trying to work with me on it, but its whole concept was predicated on a near real-time posting, which is not feasible, as even the limited numbers back when Friday nite 'chat' took place, and hinted at the dwindling numbers that were totally quashed in my iea here... it was fun while it lasted, but sort of clying in a fake donut way ;)

thanks 2 everyone who participated. I'm going down with the ship. I'll just let the program run in lyrics quizzers...... j/k GOOOOOD BBYYyyyyyy .....

[timetraveler]

All this talk about doughnuts is giving me a MAJOR case of the munchies:). And wouldn't ya know it? There's not a doughnut shop around.

[Nightingale]

:) Yeah, doughnuts...that's what we need around this place...lol :)

[geodeticman.5]

Everyone's had a crispy creme - but wanna know who I think I beat them to the punch ? In Cleveland, and some portion of the East-coast I'm sure. Just about every workin stiff sat at the "Mr. Donut", who's coffee was highly-lauded there, and their entrant to the pre-Crispy Creme: a chocolate-covered fried donut filled with 'secret' vanilla creme ohhhhhh man I can taste 'em now.

Sounds like Crispy-creme re-entered the coffee and donut hallmark via yhe donunt, whereas Tim Horton's eneted primarily on coffee, am I right ? Any Ohio or East Coast residents remember Mr. Donut ? Dead or alive ? I'd shell out $5 for 2 of their donuts and a large diet soda. Maybe $6 lol

You know this thread was declared dead and slowly sinking to the bottom of the Great-Slave Lake, but it keeps COMING BACK...lol... and coming back.. only time will tell. A few loyals seem to want to have 'er raised back to the surface about every other day :biggrin:

Thanks to Patti, Nightingale, and a few others for not letting it sink, despite my officially declaring it scuttled and/or decomissioned. Thanks guys

[Patti]

That's hilarious, Steve, two fried chocolate covered vanilla creamy donuts and a diet soda. I used to make donuts. ...poof, you're a donut. :biggrin:

[timetraveler]

I've had a little something on my mind of late. I keep thinking about Gord's way of playing his guitar, and one thing I noticed is how he seems to tease the music out of it. His hands just seem to float so softly over the instrument, not pick, pluck or what have you. He just seems to coax the beautiful tunes out &project them out into the crowds to hear him play the poems that he's written & then set to music.

[timetraveler]

i just had another random thought running through my head lately, and it came around on Thursday, of all things it happened to be Passover. See, we had a terrible tornado rip up the small town of Mena, and later, after it was all over, I saw the signifigance, It was comparable to what it was like, to a point, for the people of Israel when Moses was waiting to lead them out of Egypt. Heavy thought there. And then this afternoon, while listening to a song by ELO, called Tightrope, somehow I found some spiritual importance in the words of the last line of the song...
"When I closed my eyes/
I was so surprised/
Somebody had thrown me down a line/
(To stop me drowning)
Somebody had thrown me down a line"
What do you think?

[jj]

tt, i hope all works out for those folks and they resist any golden calf
...i understand there are 50000 left homeless in Italy following a quake

i remember first hearing the opening strings on New World Record (Tightrope) and later on 'the streets are full of people going nowhere making time' it took me a few more years of working (it's a living thing) to realize what that implied

your post sometime ago re ELO got me into reminscing and i've been listening to some great old recordings since and some mind numbing production (over production, lol!) from Out of the Blue

aside, when i first went into an arts college studio to play/record (just some cover tracks for an artist), the first one selected was Telephone Line...such a hopeless theme yet universal..those first few notes must be one of the most globally recognizable intros..."when i look into the sky, the love you need aint gonna see me through"

i think this minimally produced live version of his vocal is the best
YouTube - Telephone Line - live 1986 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_X9o8MFzbU) (btw, Kelly had left by this point)

i too was only in grade school when i first saw them and was getting more hooked, i should have been in bed but instead was surrounded by 60,000 fans and getting a lot of second hand reefer wind, lol

as i finish my coffee, i wonder how and where is Steve, our beloved host?

[charlene]

Massey Hall 1975 - E.L.O. from front row.. they blew the roof off the place.

[Nightingale]

Yes, where and how is Steve????

ELO is such a great band. I love "Time" the most and listen to it at least once a week. "Telephone Line" is easily one of their best and most well know songs...that beginning is one of a kind :) Reefer wind...lol...came as part of the total experience, jj :)

Timetraveler, I can see the spiritual aspect of the lyrics from "Tightrope".

To me, it is the act of letting go, very much like drowning must be. You go down for the third time and have no hope or expectation of being saved but suddenly, there it is and you get pulled up from the muck just in time. It's such a surprise...such a moment of understanding that you are loved and valued.

The most wonderful thing about this, to me anyway, is that it really does very often seem to work this way in every day reality.
It doesn't seem to matter if the line is thrown to you from another person or by a divine hand, it's all very much a moment of grace.

Just my thoughts on it :) Hope your little corner of the world comes together and gets back to normal soon.

[Patti]

It's so nice out here today. I took the dog down to a canoe landing and she walked around in the river. We walked along a deer trail in the woods there for a while. Nice - no mosquitos yet. Wish I could have gone canoeing too...

[Patti]

Sounds nice!!!! Here too was great weather :). oh -I was out running errands all day and on my way to take a walk along the dam. It's 2 miles and very beautiful because one side of the dam overlooks the hollow and the other, a small airport. It's just a wonderful thing to walk along and look over to one side and watch the water fowl ...and then the other side...planes taking off and landing.

Was looking forward to my walk but had to stop in a Ocean State Job lot to buy a shower curtain liner. When I got to the checkout, I was unloading things like packages of Newman's Own goodies, bottles of salad dressing, hair conditioner, lotion, a toothbrush, packets of flower seeds, 2 bags of potting soil, etc. I told the clerk that I had just gone in there to buy a shower curtain liner (which is outside now, offgassing :p) and he said he didn't see a shower curtain liner. I told him that I did, indeed get one....it's coming.

Then I put a mattress pad on the counter (the same one's that were selling at Macy's last week for $24...got it for $16 :D), followed by an adjustable lawn rake (it's kewl!), a package of cups and then FINALLY...the shower curtain :eek:.

When he gave me the total for the 28 items (including the now offgassing shower curtain liner), I asked him for my employee discount. He looked a little surprised..."oh, you work here"? No, I don't but thought it wouldn't hurt to ask :rolleyes:. He gave me a look and I said, "I know, I know shut up already lady, and get out of the store". And he said that's what the name of the store should be :rolleyes:.

I was kinda pooped after buying 28 items so instead of the walk, I came home and played with the adjustable rake...it's cool!!!


We just got the one day of great weather. I actually put up a little pup tent and put my sleeping bag in it yesterday. But then I ended up staying up too late and got too tired to go out there last night. Now I have to go out there and take it down...before it rains or snows. lol

That sounds like a nice place to take a walk along the dam. Is your new adjustable rake still fun? I never heard of an adjustable one. Silly store guy. He's got quite a sense of humor-don't ya love that? Getting ready to plant flowers? Cool. You starting some indoors? I just used up my potting soil when someone gave me a little plant that needed to be repotted two weeks ago. I just don't have much room for indoor plants. I should move. ...Everything is always up in the air. :)

28 items - oh-no. lol

[fezo]

We had a great day here. Unfortunately I had to hang around for the guy to work on our furnace which kindly decided to stop working when it wasn't much needed. It may eyt be dead but right now it's still kind of working.

Waiting for that guy gave me the chance to watch the Mets win. Always nice.

The I got to go out win the car with the top down. One of life's finest pleasures - I'm amazed I didn't have a convertible all my years. This is onlt my second going on its second summer. Anyway, took that to go to the second of two birthday parties the younguns were going to. Nice time.

Spending a bunch of time banging on my guitar. Good old time. MAybe I should go hang out and pick up the road - there's a place taht's good every Saturday night.

[timetraveler]

Massey Hall 1975 - E.L.O. from front row.. they blew the roof off the place.I'll bet they did! Too bad they didn't come close enough for me to have seen them then.

[timetraveler]

Yes, where and how is Steve????

ELO is such a great band. I love "Time" the most and listen to it at least once a week. "Telephone Line" is easily one of their best and most well know songs...that beginning is one of a kind :) Reefer wind...lol...came as part of the total experience, jj :)

Timetraveler, I can see the spiritual aspect of the lyrics from "Tightrope".

To me, it is the act of letting go, very much like drowning must be. You go down for the third time and have no hope or expectation of being saved but suddenly, there it is and you get pulled up from the muck just in time. It's such a surprise...such a moment of understanding that you are loved and valued.

The most wonderful thing about this, to me anyway, is that it really does very often seem to work this way in every day reality.
It doesn't seem to matter if the line is thrown to you from another person or by a divine hand, it's all very much a moment of grace.

Just my thoughts on it :) Hope your little corner of the world comes together and gets back to normal soon.You make a very excellent point there. One of the other things that also get me through rough emotional times lately is my dog Charlie.

[timetraveler]

tt, i hope all works out for those folks and they resist any golden calf
...i understand there are 50000 left homeless in Italy following a quake

i remember first hearing the opening strings on New World Record (Tightrope) and later on 'the streets are full of people going nowhere making time' it took me a few more years of working (it's a living thing) to realize what that implied

your post sometime ago re ELO got me into reminscing and i've been listening to some great old recordings since and some mind numbing production (over production, lol!) from Out of the Blue

aside, when i first went into an arts college studio to play/record (just some cover tracks for an artist), the first one selected was Telephone Line...such a hopeless theme yet universal..those first few notes must be one of the most globally recognizable intros..."when i look into the sky, the love you need aint gonna see me through"

i think this minimally produced live version of his vocal is the best
YouTube - Telephone Line - live 1986 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_X9o8MFzbU) (btw, Kelly had left by this point)

i too was only in grade school when i first saw them and was getting more hooked, i should have been in bed but instead was surrounded by 60,000 fans and getting a lot of second hand reefer wind, lol

as i finish my coffee, i wonder how and where is Steve, our beloved host?Yeah, I know what you mean about the Out Of The Blue album. I have it on disc, and one of the most fun, rip roaring tunes on it is Across The Border. Next best one is The Jungle. The one that I like best of all, though, is Wild West Hero. For me, it has a lot to do with wishing that one was anywhere but where they are, as well as just being someone else all together, at least wanting to be their own selves & being tired of the rest of the world trying to make them fit into the mold that society tries to impose on us all.

[fezo]

Well, it sure got a whole lot colder today. Forget that top down....

I really need to get something going on teh yard. Not easy because with all the blood issues if I bend down a little I get dizzy as all get out. Has kept lots of things form getting done.

Ah, well. Had a good week off. We'd planned to go places but that didn't happen so we did stuff around here. Mostly we unwound.

BAck to the real world....

[Patti]

It got a whole lot colder here today too. It actually snowed enough for it to stay on the ground for a few hours. But anyway, my son got a new colony of bees for his new hive and I helped get them set up. They seem like good ones. They seem to like their new home.

oh, Pam, last year i just canned a little bit strawberry rhubarb jam. The last couple of years I made some salsa. I don't too much canning.