Anna Nicole: Gone at 39

[Borderstone]

Before start,I'd appreciate if everyone can remember that despite some of the not to pleasant things associated with her,she was first and foremost a human being like the rest of us.

I came from IMDB moments ago and their headline showed that former Playboy centerfold,reality show actress and infamous celebrity Anna Nicole Smith has suddenly died at the age of 39.

As most know Smith shot to fame in 1994 after posing in the pages Of Playboy. She then became quite a questionable figure in marrying a man nealry 3 times her age,a millionare.

She then after many court trials regarding the man's family and his will,hit the airwaves with her own reality show watched by,amazingly,millions of people.

In recent times her oldest son has died and only weeks later she had gotten married. She herself had been having some mysterious health problems.
Now,it seems those health problems have taken her away.

I am sad at her loss only for the simple reason that she was another fellow human being on this planet with us. The sadder thing though is she was a woman who idolized Marylin Monroe and much like her,has left us early.

I only hope that in this case people just let her memory be just that and don't turn her into some kind of icon. I can hope that but I know it wont be so.

She always seemed behind that smile to be a toubled figure but now,all of those troubles are over for her. One can only guess that she never really came to terms with who she is as a person.

Something people can take from this is that,maybe the times for making a person out to be more than they are,in the world of show busines & fame are passed.

For what it's worth,she was a beutiful sight to behold in 1994,which should have been more than enough. I do bid her to rest in peace,as I would anyone.

[Auburn Annie]

Poor lady - she certainly lived a tumultuous life. I wouldn't be surprised if her death is due to a cardiac event, either a clot, MI or more likely some kind of arrhythmia, though there's lots of media speculation re drug use. Between pregnancy, childbirth, sudden death of her son, assorted lawsuits both new and ongoing, etc. she must have been under tremendous stress.

All things must pass....

[charlene]

I heard this early this aft and thought what a horrible time her life has been for so many years...even the birth of her baby was marred with tragedy when her son died just a couple of days later...sad, very very sad..
and now a young child has no mother...and as of today still doesn't know who the real father is...my goodness what a future for that child.

[RM]

The price of fame is high.

[Jim Nasium]

Some of you may have missed the fact that Frankie Laine has also left us. May I suggest, a more rounded human being.
RIP Anna Nicole & Frankie.

[charlene]

I saw that Frankie Laine had passed. I remember listening to his albums when I was a kid..Mule Train....Jerry Van Dyke did a great comedy routine to that song..lol

[Auburn Annie]

There's an extensive write-up on "Ol' Leather Lungs," as Mr. Laine was sometimes known, at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Laine

He lived quite a life in his own way.

[Jesse Joe]

Anna Nicole Smith, so beautiful, much to young. :(

Well said Borderstone...

[Jesse Joe]

I must admit Im not too familiar w/ Frankie Lane. But like B Stone wrote, for Anna Nicole, they are first and foremost human beings like the rest of us.

Very sad to hear . :(

[ February 09, 2007, 09:26: Message edited by: Jesse-Joe ]

[charlene]

YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv-uBGR435A

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_0SRxyDycU&mode=related&search=

[Jesse Joe]

Thank's for the You tube clip Charlene. Now Im certain I definetly never knew who he was...

[Borderstone]

Well I found out that her real name was Vicky Lynn Hogan,so just like Marilyn M. another lost fame seeking young woman made to change her name,except in this case Anna most likely really did not have a full idea of her true self & identity.

Also,I watched The Insider last night and it was obviously taped before she passed on. The big story of Anna yesterday (before this one) in their "Ongoing Anna Investigation" tongue.gif
was about who's the real father of her 5 month old?

Supposedly it's some guy named Larry Burkhead,well Larry,if she's your daughter,take the big step now that needs to be taken and stop denying it. This girl needs a parent!

Anyhow,now,in regards to Frankie Laine he lived up into his 90s and deservedly so. I saw him last year on PBS,with a special hosted by Pat Boone. At age 92/93 Frankie came out of retirement to sing one of his classics.
I had been wondering at that time if he was still around.

Jim it's really not fair at a time like this to look down on Anna just because she didn't have as clear a view of living as Mr. Laine possibly did.
Mr. Laine was human and so was Anna,even if she seemed like she sometimes didn't know what "being human" meant.

If she she didn't know,she certainly got an avalanche of examples in the last days of her life. She,like most famous people,had the big step up and then the other shoe drops big and heavier.

Frankie Laine was fortunate enough to be famous in the more traditional sense. He was by the way the man who originally wrote & recorded Elvis's concert staple,"You Gave Me A Mountain". Sorry to say I haven't heard much of his music but I do know he was a man worth respecting,much like Gordon is.

Frankie is now on the biggest mountain of them all. Rest in peace.

[brink-]

Borderstone, Larry Birkhead has been in court trying to force a DNA test since the baby was born. Last I had heard that there was a hearing set for sometime this month to try and force Anna Nicole to comply. Now all of a sudden a mother has appeared and she wants the baby.
Something tells me that there is going to be more to this story.

[Jennifer]

I was sad when I heard about Anna. At least now she can be with her son. RIP Anna.

[Jenney]

Did anyone see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gWuGk8omp8&eurl=

Jenney

[Auburn Annie]

Originally posted by brink-:
Borderstone, Larry Birkhead has been in court trying to force a DNA test since the baby was born. Last I had heard that there was a hearing set for sometime this month to try and force Anna Nicole to comply. Now all of a sudden a mother has appeared and she wants the baby.
Something tells me that there is going to be more to this story. Is this Anna's mother? She's a winner - no wonder ANS turned out the way she did. Anyway, the reason Larry B wanted ANS' DNA is to prevent any allegation (or real) switching of babies. No idea why the court didn't just say, okay, everybody line up for DNA sampling, but I guess it's a matter of deciding jursidiction, US vs Bahamas. And did you see where Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband (?) Prince Von Anhalt is also claiming he (as one of many others) may possibly the baby's father? It's a good thing the baby is only 5 months old. The estate business has been ongoing for years, and neither principal is still living. Either Anna's child, her guardian - whoever is eventually named, and hence the feeding frrenzy - and/or the old man's other grandchildren will be getting what's left of almost 2 Billion $$ after the legal fees have eaten most of it.

[Auburn Annie]

Originally posted by Jenney:
Did anyone see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gWuGk8omp8&eurl=

Jenney Well, I'm reasonably sure EMP didn't authorize using IYCRMM, but hey almost 50,000 folks viewing/listening can't hurt.

[johnfowles]

A very interesting find Jenney
I had always considerd that Anna belonged to that category of celebrities Famous for being Famous and had therefore regarded
her with some disdain, indeed I once discovered an unlabelled VHS tape here filled with a lenghty television program of hers
and promptly labelled it "Anna Knickers"
However I found Walter's dissertation very moving and now having watched the youtube tribute video I see how much she tried
to emulate Norma Jeane Mortenson.
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/images/Anna_Marylin.jpg
Yes I managed to watch the video ( stored on youtube in highly compressed Flash video format as:-
YouTube_-_Anna_Nicole_Smith_(November_28,_1967_--_February_8,_2007).flv.MPG)
despite my desultory 56k dial-up connection
by downloading it as I had earlier done with Tom Gahoendoe's Stonewall Studio videos.
And that reminds me he did back in November send me a message via youtube asking about my "technique" for saving youtube
videos and then converting them to much more useful mpg format files
(that can then not only be viewed in Windows Media Player instead of the abysmal Flash Video Players
but may be used to make standalone DVD player friendly VCDs (Video CD) or DVDs to play on a full sized television set
Noting that VCDs can contain a full hour of reasonable quality video on a standard cheap CD-R,if you have CD burner but do
not yet possess a DVD burner.)
This therefore would seem to be a most appropriate time to write up a suitable tutorial and show where anybody can get
excellent freeware to both grab the flv file (using a freeware program called tada tada "youtube grabber) and a literally
"SUPER" all can do video format converter, where in this case "super" is an anagram for
"Simplified Universal Player Encoder & Renderer"
OK now to produce that tutorial, so watch this space I'll be back ASAP
John
to whet your appetite ponder these two screenshots
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/images/youtube_in_action.jpg
downloaded flv file note well under 3MB
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/images/super_box.jpg
after conversion to mpg format note a much larger file over 9MB

[ February 10, 2007, 14:24: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[charlene]

Originally posted by Jenney:
Did anyone see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gWuGk8omp8&eurl=

Jenney geeze - that's just not right. actually it's so wrong.

I saw a clip of Anna's mum on a morning show..the day after her daughter tragically died and she's on a tv show. good grief almighty. And CNN/Larry King all over it like stink on a skunk..They're a sad bunch the whole lot of them.
That poor poor baby...what a tragic legacy she'll have to face one day. May she have some sort of normal life with people who are not so self-absorbed and slightly off centre.

[Auburn Annie]

Reminds me of Gloria Vanderbilt - similar scenario, different times. She was 10 when her mother and aunt were locked in a custody battle for her (the aunt won.)At least she came through sort of in one piece and made her own mark in the world. Wonder what ever happened to the Onassis child?

[ February 10, 2007, 14:00: Message edited by: Auburn Annie ]

[MistyMoppens]

Until her retirement Anna's mother, Virgie Arthur, was a law enforcement officer for 28 years.

After the sudden, tragic death of her grandson, Daniel, she began appearing on the Nancy Grace Show. (Court TV - Nancy was a Prosecucting Attorney for years. She's something of a "crusader". I like her.)

Anyway, Howard Stern had completely isolated Anna from her family & friends. (dangerous, IMO.) Virgie was a desperate mother trying to reach out to her daughter the only way she could at the time - over the airwaves. She had followed Anna the only way she could - in the media. And she saw so many "red flags" but felt so helpless as to how to reach out to her daughter & prevent another tragedy. She saw this coming. I can't blame her for taking to the airways/going public. "Public" seemed to be the only way Anna Nicole/Vickie Lynn did ANYthing.

Interesting note: After young Daniel died Nancy asked Virgie if she'd like to reach out to Anna on her show. Virgie said "yes." What she said was something like, "Vickie Lynn.. You know I love you. Always have. But you need to be very careful of the people you let close to you. Because you may be next..." Sorry I don't have it verbatim. But it made my blood run cold.

Five months later *Poof!* - no more Anna. hmmm... What a coinkydink. I feel there was foul play involved in both Anna & Daniel's deaths. That new baby and her yet to be named father will have more money than they coud ever even begin to deal with.

According to reports there were no "illegal drugs". But the "heavy hitter" prescription drugs were in Howard Stern's name and they were all over the place. It's been said the room/suite "looked like a pharmacy." A few of the drugs were Methadone, Zanax, Vicoden and Provigil. Odd at best. Most people needing some of those drugs are in a very bad way. Howard seems to get around/party/travel/etc just fine.

I've never had a very high opinion of ANS (or her boyfriend/unofficial husband) but I've always admired her astounding beauty. And her mother didn't just suddenly show up on the scene. I know some people don't like or respect law enforcement officers but I do. They put their lives on the line every single day to protect us. Except for the occassinal crooked cop they are Heroes to me.

And I hope Virgie Arthur can get custody of that baby ASAP before a "baby switch" takes place and Anna's true daughter is lost to her family forever. Everything happens for a reason. To be 100% honest - I would not have wanted Anna Nicole for a mother. (many peoples' worst nightmare) That said - I'm sad about Anna's premature death.

IMO Anna Nicole had very self-destructive tendencies. I also feel *someone* else took full advantage of her weakness to help her along to an early end for the money.

Yes, RMD - the price of fame is high. Much too high. I'm a privacy freak so I would just never be interested in that life style! :rolleyes:

[ February 10, 2007, 14:39: Message edited by: MistyMoppens ]

[Borderstone]

Gloria Vanderbilt is most likely living somewhere's quiet and is glad the spotlight is not on her anymore.

One more thing about Frankie Laine,he was just over a month & 1/2 from turning 94 (March 30th.)

I know there's going to be coverage of Anna for weeks to come,I wont be watching any of it. In my view,I'd feel like a sick kind of voyeur watching all the maddness that CNN,ET and other shows will cover.
It's enough that I acknowledge the famous as I do here when they pass. I respect Anna Nicole as the human she was,like we all are.

I will say one last thing in true honesty,when I first saw the P. Magazine pictures,before anyone really knew a thing about her,I looked and said,"Wow,now that is truly great beauty." She was then,it wasthe world around her that took the inner kind away.

[MistyMoppens]

Oh, I'm going to have to stay tuned for updates because:

#1 I'm a Court TV addict.

#2 This is a fascinating story.

#3 If it was foul play I'm going to want to see a full measure of justice for the crime.

I really just COULDN'T BELIEVE this story broke while I had absolutely no access to TV!! (note to friends: yes our house is finally finished but we still have one foot back in Maryland... so I'm still in high gear & completely exhausted...)

[johnfowles]

Ok i'm back
my little ilustrated tutorial entitled
"Saving and Converting Youtube Video Files"
may now be found at:-
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/tutorials/saving_youtube_videos_tutorial.htm
I hope a few of you will read it then get and install the
two programs I describe, then go to Tom Gahoendoe's Stonewall Studio listing at:-
http://www.corfid.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=004203#000000
and try the technique out then report back here
if anybody has any questions or would like help making a CD or DVD to play through their television do please ask

[ February 10, 2007, 22:39: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[Auburn Annie]

I looked her up. Gloria is 80+ but hardly living quietly. See http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041128/NEWS/211280314/1019/ENTERTAIN for a 2004 interview with her.

Court TV or whoever will be covering this case for years to come. For one thing, Howard K. Stern, the alleged husband/father, both drafted her will, serves as executor, and is a beneficiary, potentially a very large beneficiary. That's a legal no-no - so many conflicts of interest it's hard to figure where to start. I think once paternity is settled the next thing will be authenticating their marriage (there are many questions abot that as well) and just maybe the courts will then put all the monies into trust until the baby is of age and appoint a disinterested fiduciary to admininster the funds. In any event it will be years before it's settled so I think once the final autopsy report on Anna comes out in about a month things will quiet down for a long time. I do not see this as an ongoing story. Something else always comes along. I'm sure NASA is grateful for the distraction.

[Jesse Joe]

Posted by Auburn Annie:

"I'm sure NASA is grateful for the distraction."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>

How right you are Annie, right on! It constantly changes. One week, Trump & Rosie, then the Astronaut story, now Anna Nicole...

What next?? Maybe something STRANGE will happen tonight at The Grammy's.


Very well put Annie it caught my attention, right away... :eek: :rolleyes: :)

[ February 11, 2007, 16:18: Message edited by: Jesse-Joe ]

[Borderstone]

Interesting articlew Annie. She sure doesn't look her age! :eek:

Talking of Vanderbilt has made me recall Gilda Radner one night on SNL as "Roseanne Rosanna-Dana",reporting how she witnessed Gloria Vanderbilt at a fashion show trying to scratch her "posterior" by rubbing up against a stair railing! :D

Roseanne (Radner) said she pulled her hairbrush out of her purse,hands it to Vanderbilt & says,"Here,Gloria!! Have yourself a field day!! :D LOL!

[Dream Street Rose]

Hi Borderstone,

You have a great memory and know so much about music. I loved watching the old SNL. I think I will go on line and order some dvds. :)

[Borderstone]

Hey Jess,I didn't watch the Grammys but I wnet by it and saw The Doors get a "lifetime acheivment award".
It's nice that they "finally" got one but none of the remaining members were asked onstage to accept it! :rolleyes:

Unless they didn't want to go up? Nothing like watching two of todays top acts talking about an act from before their time. :D Pink & "T.I." wasn't it?

When I get back to work Rose (and get a great enugh job,I might do that myself,more like the "best of's" though. ;)

"It's always somethin'!" :D

[Jesse Joe]

The Grammys were all right B,Stone. Im watching ET(Canada) right now, there showing clips, The Police started it off with Roxanne. Shakira struted her stuff, :D and a fellow maritimer won one for songwriting, I beleive...

Gordie Sampson (http://www.gordiesampson.com/index2.html) is his name. He's doing pretty good for himself. He's from Nova-Scotia, great songwriter.

Not as interesting as maybe The Grammys in the 70's.

Gord of course you know never won one, but has 5 Grammy Nomination...

The Doors were awesome in there prime. Jim Morrison, another one who died too young. It's a shame... :(

[ February 12, 2007, 18:04: Message edited by: Jesse-Joe ]

[Auburn Annie]

Hey, B, there was only one of The Doors there to accept:

Doors guitarist Robby Krieger was the sole member to appear at the Wilshire Ebell Theater in Los Angeles, although family members of late singer Jim Morrison were on hand. John Densmore, the band's drummer, thanked the academy in a videotaped message, during which he recited Morrison's "American Prayer" poem.

Krieger said Morrison would have been proud. "People think he was anti-establishment, but in reality he wanted to be bigger than the Beatles. He would be very honored," Krieger said.

[Gitchigumee]

I will say that I didn't read all the posts, just the first one.

I agree, she was a human being like us all, and it is a tragedy. Her poor little baby girl, I hope they find the true father and he brings her up right.

Anna was, in my opinion, exceptionally pretty and exceptionally troubled, and I believe she died of a broken heart following her son's tragic death. I wish the media would leave her alone.

Rest in Peace, Anna Nicole...

[Gitchigumee]

Originally posted by Borderstone:
Gloria Vanderbilt is most likely living somewhere's quiet and is glad the spotlight is not on her anymore. Did you guys know that Anderson Cooper is Gloria Vanderbilt's son??? I can't remember if he's on CNN or ABC.

[Auburn Annie]

CNN

[ELizabeth]

Re:the Doors Lifetime Award...wasn't Ray Manzerek (sp.?)the Doors keyboardist there? He is certainly alive.

[Borderstone]

Elizabeth,all 3 remaining "Doors" are alive & well 35 & 1/2 years after Morrison "checked out".

As Annie said,drummer John Densmore spoke via video-tape (guess I tuned out too soon). Bobby Kreiger was in the audience.

Annie,I think all musicians back then wanted to be bigger than the Beatles but just like the movie Highlander states,"There can be only one". (That big that is.)

I just couldn't believe they didn't already have that award. Billy Joel got his before they did. :confused:

Gitch,I think when a person feels the need to receive that much attention because they didn't have it before,their mind is already emotionally gone.

While I was sad that she didn't surpass Monroe's age in life,I wasn't completely surprised when I heard the news. She stated in early interviews she idolized Marylin Monroe,to which I said to myself "Uh-oh". :(

It's like when Chis Farley mentioned he idolized John Belushi. Although I thought given what happened to John,Chris would have been more sensible.

Personally,I feel that's why I never really "idolized" anybody after childhood. I enjoyed the entetainment thecomedians,singers & actors gave,when I was a teen but I never placed them on a higher pedestal than they should be.

Not even Gordon or Mariah.

[ELizabeth]

Borderstone, do either you or Annie know if Ray Manzerek was in the audience? I can't imagine he would blow-off any award for the Doors.

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by ELizabeth:
Borderstone, do either you or Annie know if Ray Manzerek was in the audience? I can't imagine he would blow-off any award for the Doors. I feel sure that I remember correctly that when they announced the award to the Doors the camera was on a part of the sudience front row and two ex-Doors stood up not just one, of course I could have been dreaming?? nd I can't swear to it (damn!!) but I think possibly one of the two WAS identified as Ray Manzerek
I still have somewhere on a videotape a recording of the 1991 film "The Doors" with Val Kilmer
http://i3.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/13/32/fd_2.JPG
Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison on the cover of a 1991 issue of Esquire Magazine
http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/ScenesFromMovies/DoorsCrowd.jpg
in one review on IMDB
http://imdb.com/title/tt0101761/
I read
"This film is truly a gem. The Doors is easily the best film of the rock n' roll genre"
I certtainly remember it as being pretty good so must dig it out (I recorded it from UK television so I will have to hook up my UK PAL 240-volt VCR to a voltage converter and my digital converter to play it through an NTSC television set)

[ February 15, 2007, 10:55: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[Borderstone]

I saw "The Doors" the day it was released to theatres in March of 1991. Very 1st showing 11am.

In fact,I'm right down the street (couple hundred yards) from where the AMC building used to be,where I saw it. That building is now housing a Petsmart/Bed,Bath & Beyond and a Cingular Wireless store.

It was mesmerizig to watch Val Kilmer as Morrison,it actually felt like I'd walked through a hole in time and landed in the late 60's and was personally seeing Jim Morrsion in person.

In 2001 Val K. hosted SNL w/ musical guests "U2". Bono while singing "Elevation" walked over to V.K. and said/sang the words "Light my Fire". :cool:

(It's amazing how we always end up off topic in these threads isn't it? ). :redface:

[Moosedog]

Anytime a thread goes off topic, in the direction of Val Kilmer, is just FINE with me.
:D

Vickie

[Borderstone]

Well,getting back on topic...she's finally been laid to rest. So as far as I'm concerned that's the end of it for me.

Those still interested in the dealings and arguemnets of those "closest" to her can watch & listen to that all they want.

Anna is in a peaceful place and that's all that matters now.

[brink-]

I am really happy that she is finally buried, and where she wanted to be.
Vergie Arthur should have stayed under her rock.
I hope they figure out who the dad is - that is where the baby should be, not with the grandmother (sorry Misty).

[johnfowles]

I received an intriguing google alert for GL today and did a double take when I read the following:-
"As the cause of Anna Nicole Smith’s death is disclosed, the ...
The Herald-Times (subscription) - Bloomington,IN,USA
The Ontario-born Smith, a former backup singer with Gordon Lightfoot and Hoyt Axton, served 18 months of a three-year
sentence in a California jail."
Unfortunately the paper is one of those stoopid self-important ones that only let you see their full article if you pay for the privelage ,so annoyingly I was unable to read the whole thing, but on the face of it they seemed to be saying that Anna Nickers was not only born in Toronto but sang with Gord!
I found this hard to believe but then when I clicked the provided link I reached:-
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2007/03/27/nationworld.qp-525703.sto
where I was invited to subscribe and where the full headline reads:-
"As the cause of Anna Nicole Smith’s death is disclosed, the ‘coroner to the stars’ discusses some high-profile cases that have come before."
so I guess the "Smith" they are referring to is not the recently departed one but the other Smith (Connie).All pretty confusing methinks
and such a common name ! Another mystery if Vickie Lynn Hogan born in Houston in 1967 disliked her name and wanted something
better for her professional purposes why on earth did she choose Smith as her surname??

[Dream Street Rose]

Yes Sir John,

There are a few names as commom an "Smith", but not very many. I feel sorry for anyone involved. To lose someone they cared about in this way is so very sad. :(

[Cathy]

John. It's Cathy Smith, methinks.

[Fitzy]

It is so nice to hear a group of folks that feel as I do. Sometimes I think I truly think different than the rest. I am glad to have a place where others see things similarly. I feel and felt prior to her death that any time I saw something regarding her or her life that she looked so vulnerable. Even in something she was doing that was extreme, or what appeared to be crazy I felt there was so much more going on than just her flashing. As we all know you do those things for a reason way beyond just flashing the audience at the grammys. I always found watching painful. Many times I could not. I see all these people clammering around for what reason I do not know, but noone stepped in to help when she was here. So do not try to look like a hero now. Does that make sense? Peace has been bestowed upon her now by something bigger and better than us, and someone stepped in and handled the situation properly. To me leaving this world is like getting out of one car and into another. John Lennons' quote. I believe that. May we all of us here if this is the topic speak kindly and considerately. Thanx for the topic.

[RM]

Originally posted by Fitzy:
I see all these people clammering around for what reason I do not know, but noone stepped in to help when she was here. Unless you were there, I'm not sure that is a fair appraisal. I'm a bit of an existentialist when it comes to matters like this. Very few of us are truly victims, and therefore we should be held accountable for our choices. I do not believe she was a victim, and was fully capable of knowing right from wrong and the consequences of the lifestyle she chose.

[Fitzy]

I so get your reply, we are all responsible for our own happiness, but if you have never had an understanding of what hppiness is you do become vulnerable. It frankly made me sad the whole scenario. Where is help when you need it. How amazing people are coming out of the woodwork now. Saddens me. She had many, but what is many if noone is something to you. Does that make sense?

[brink-]

She had help, she had gone to rehab. With addicts it does at some time get to the point where you have to tell them: you want a helping hand? it is at the end of your arm. Meaning you can't help someone who won't help themselves.
It is nobody else's fault. People have to take responsibility for their own actions. You hear it so often these days - it wasn't my fault, I was beaten, yelled at, not the favorite child, poor, white, red, black, purple or orange, my mother didn't marry my dad - whatever there is a litany of excuses that people use. I'm with Ron on this, she wasn't stupid.....she could have taken care of herself and she should have.

[Fitzy]

You are so right, although I do not believe it is that easy. It is easy for us that have taken the appropriate steps to heal ourselves at 45 years old, where does that wisdom kick in, it is so easy to judge far be it for me to know what path another walks. Please do not look at my path. I believe it is so easy to point the finger.

[RM]

Okay,

I'll do my best to believe that she was a remote-controlled bimbo who was steered into the shallow waters of fame, fell, and drowned.

I had hoped otherwise....

[brink-]

Originally posted by Fitzy:
You are so right, although I do not believe it is that easy. It is easy for us that have taken the appropriate steps to heal ourselves at 45 years old, where does that wisdom kick in, it is so easy to judge far be it for me to know what path another walks. Please do not look at my path. I believe it is so easy to point the finger. Sorry Dr. Phil, now that you have turned the topic around from nobody saying anything negative to now we are voicing our opinions. So leave it as you say "far be it for me to know what path another walks." None of us are Anna Nicole Smith - we don't know why she did what she did and why she didn't do what she should have. Let's just end this topic.