Disappointed In Northampton

[STK]

I expect I'll get flamed for this post, but I am so confused about last evenings show, that I must say something somewhere. I have liked Gordon for almost 30 years now, but have never seen him live. I haven't followed his career closely, but have tuned in from time to time, and have always enjoyed going back to the 70's albums - especially Don Quixote which is my favorite. I was excited when the concert was announced, and bought tickets immediately.

What an unbelievable disappointment! He opens with one of my favorite songs, but where is the warm and robust voice he once had? It is gone! The man can barely sing at this point. At first I thought there was something wrong with the microphone, but when nothing improved, I realized that this was how he was. And the music itself had little or no life to it. The band was so uninvolved in what they were playing, and their performances so wooden and lifeless that they might as well have e-mailed them in from home. The sound reinforcement was so tinny and lackluster that there was no way the music could come close to filling the hall.

I expect a performer to change with time, but I also expect a certain level of quality when I spend $30+ per ticket to see a man who has been playing music for more than 35 years. Instead of a seasoned older musician who is still able to command a performance, I felt as if I was watching a sort of nostalgia show in which the audience is left to grasp hold of a memory of something long since past. I cannot recall another concert (and I go to many) where I have felt embarrassed and sorry for the performer from the outset. Yet everyone else in the hall seemed to be perfectly content with the concert. Do these folks not go out very often? Are they unaware when a show is not up to professional standards? Or do they know that this is how Gordon is these days, and they expect and are satisfied with less?

Before you flame me out of existence, please understand... I do not express these feelings out of meanness, or to anger others. I love Gordon's music - as a songwriter he has few equals, and his body of work speaks for itself. It is just that I was so let down, and confused as to why no one else seemed to be having the same experience. For the first time in my life, I walked out on a show... after 5 songs. From now on, I'll stick to the recordings.

Constructive responses appreciated,

STK

[Kevin]

No flames from me my friend.From where I sat, I noticed that He was straining his voice to reach the higher notes for the first few songs. I figured; new tour.New night.New crowd.You should have stuck around.By the middle of the show,His voice was flowing.The more that the crowd responded, the more the band and Gordon flowed.For the first time in my life,I sat,watched and listened to the man I've heard as background music for years.I tell you.......I was taken away to some places that I've always wanted to be,Like the forefront of the pacific Northwest railroad where when the sledge hammers came to a stop,it was too quiet to be real.You should have stuck around.

[Algeh]

I wasn't at that concert, but I remember feeling a little disappointed when A Painter Passing Through came out, and listening to the beginning of "Drifters". His voice has changed as he has gotten older, which is a biological thing that simply happens to people. But after listening to the album for a bit, I realized that I still liked his voice, even though it wasn't what I was expecting from his older albums like Don Quixote and Cold On The Shoulder. Give your ears time to acclimate, and you'll probably like it too. It's just shocking at first. And also, it can take any performer or band a few songs to warm up. At least, I've noticed that with choral music sometimes, which is what I generally get to perform and/or hear live. (For the record, I now really like the song "Drifters")

[wolfebay]

Yes, unfortunately Gord's voice is not what
it once was. But listen to Dylan, Van Morrison, John Stewart. Their voices have all
changed with the years. And I remember seeing
Gord in 1975 in L.A. and even then it took him(and the sound guy)a couple of numbers to work out the kinks. I'm sorry you walked out on a legendary performer who, like the rest of us, is not getting any younger. His voice
may be somewhat less than it once was, but if
you listen closely, it still has that Lightfoot charm. I am sympathetic to your
comments about the band, however. I saw him
in Portsmouth, NH his last time there, and I
was sitting front-row center. I also came away with the feeling that the band somehow
wasn't with Gordon - almost a sense of disinterest. I hope I am wrong. However, being on the road, and playing basically the same songs every night must get trying! In closing, we have been lucky to see a talent
such as Gordon's, so next time stay for the whole show - the time will come all to quickly when he hangs it up, so let's enjoy him while we can!!

[bcfitz@banet.net]

I am replying to several comments about the 3/10 show in Northampton last night. At first I too was surprised and disappointed by the thinness and weakness of the sound overall (Gordon's voice AND the band) bit it picked up as the concert went on. And he DID feed off the warm, appreciative response.
I saw him in Springfield, MA in about 1971, at the HEIGHT of his fame, and his voice was full, mellow and robust. Now it seems more reedy, tinny and tentative, but some of that might also be the sound mix, I'm not sure. He may also get stronger as the tour continues, which of course doesn't help those who saw it early on.
It IS a shame he opened with Don Quixote, one of his best songs of all time. I had to strain to hear the sound. I wish he had done this one nearer the end.

One more point: near the end of the show the band launched into a great rocking number I never heard before that was one of the best of the night. The only words I could make out - or thought I could make out - were in the chorus: "Can I rewind?". Did I get it all wrong? What aws the real song title? And is this a new one for him? Thanks.

[markpoker]

The Loudest song of the second set was Blackberry Wine. It sounded great, but if you are not familar with the lyrics it is tough to pick up.

[pufferbell]

Yes, Gord's voice has changed over the years, but he can still carry a tune and come across as good as ever. Maybe if you examine how your own body has changed over the last 30 years, you won't be so hard on Gord.

[dantedungen]

I saw the concert on 3/11 at the Westbury Music Fair, Long Island, NY. It took gordon 1 song to warm up, & his voice was fine.
There was also a lot of banter. Although he is a "talker", he seemed more vocal than the other times I've seen him.
As far as the band's "involvement" is concerned, keep in mind that they don't sing backup, and are really there to provide the musical backup; they've always stayed in the background & do a great job. The music is crisp & clean.
It's a shame to ever walk out; stick around & wait for the adjustments! I'm sure the others in the crowd were smiling & enjoying themselves because, like me, they've listened to GL for 20, 30 years & still appreciate the talent.
Many performers lose it, Elton John is one who comes to mind, Gordon's lost maybe a step. Just sit back & enjoy it!

[Gord]

Hmm sad to hear you walked out on the concert. I have seen him play 5 times since 1988. True the band looks "uninvolved" but they are concentrating on doing their job instead of looking flamboyant etc. I used to play the drumset in highschool and I was more worried about doing it right than being an acrobat etc.

Gord's voice has been this way since 1990 after the Shadows Lp was released, I last saw him Nov 1999 and I didn't find anything objectionable about the quality of the concert. Each to his own I guess

[sandyo]

Northampton was a highlight in my life. I too have been a fan for a very long time and couldn't wait to see him. I appreciated every single note that he sang because I knew they were all coming from his heart. I am sure that he now plays and sings for us, his fans and for the love of what he does and I am thankful that he is still performing.

[mikedn337]

a reply to sdk, northampton disappointment.having been a close friend of Gords for several years, i can tell you that he goes out on the road for 50 concerts a year because he loves to play the music and sing for the people. He dosen't need the money. His band members have been w/ him for many years and are all totally committed to him both on and off stage. Sure his voice has changed, he's 61 years old. Also, for your information, he was getting over a lingering head cold just prior to the concert season. I will be seeing him in concert at the end of this month at 3 differant venues and on his worst day he will still be the greatest singer, songwriter of all time. I strongly suggest to you that you make a point of seeing him again as soon as possibleand savor the fact that this man has been giving you his heart and soul for 40 years. And i know for a fact that he will continue to do so for years to come...i can't beleive you walked out. Call your therapist asap. God bless you.

[BuddyP]

I attended the New Haven concert with friends. The playset was similar to the other concerts. It did take Gord a few songs to get warmed up, but he was outstanding for most of the night. Yes, adjustments have been made for his voice but so what? It is obvious that he still loves being on stage. He was relaxed and teased the crowd with comments. My favorite was when he said "The Shubert Theater is very famous ... or so we were told." That got a good laugh!

His voice is not as rich as it once was, but neither is mine when I sing along to the CD's on a long car trip. What has not changed is the magic of his lyrics. I was glad he played many of his newer songs, most of which were unfamilar to many in the audience, who seemed familiar with only his work through the Summertime Dream album. Gord made light of this a couple of times. Gord is truly a painter passing through time.

It was wonderful to see younger people in the crowd, and not just people of my generation. We had two kids next to us with crazy colored hair that seemed to have a great time.

I did not attend expecting to hear the magnificent voice that I so enjoyed at Tanglewood in the mid 70's. I did not go to be entertained by the band. I went to see a man whose poetry speakes so often to the life I have lived. I went to see the man who takes my mind to beautiful places I have never seen. In all respects I attended an event that met every expectation. My only regret is that I cannot go again this year.

When the sea runs high,
Th' sea runs wild and I'm unsteady,
And I think of you,
In the warmth of your home and family.
When love is true,
There is no truer occupation.
And may this gale
Blow us to the ones we love.

That's what I went for. Open your ears and your heart my friend and you may find the same.

Buddy

[Wes Steele]

To the person who walked out of the concert and had tears in his eyes because he "lost" thirty dollars.
My Friend, you don't have a clue......

Wes Steele.......

[Paul J B]

To the person who walked out, I would just like to let you know you have wasted an opertunity that some of us aren't able to have. Ihave to agree with Wes , you don't have a clue.

[loveandmaplesyrup]

To the person who walked out: I think you need to find someone ELSE to follow and criticize. I don't think you'll find much sympathy here. I'm sure Gord noticed you walking out and I'm sure he was deeply hurt to see it. He made a comment just recently that he will continue touring "as long as they will have me" and YOU just chalked up one mark to make him think about continuing. THANKS A LOT. I can only hope there aren't too many people out there like you to discourage him because we all (his real followers, that is) wait each year to see him and hope and pray that he won't stop. It is just people like you that could cause him to be discourage enough not to tour again next year.

So, here I am opening my big mouth, but this has to be said. Do his LOYAL followers a favor and please don't go to anymore of his concerts. Gord does not need people like you in his audience. Save your $30.00 for someone who sounds like they did in the '70s. Do what you like, but PLEASE don't be so inconsiderate and discourteous as to spoil it for the rest of us. WE want to see Gord next year and the next year and the next year. We want him to know that "we will have him" as long as he's willing to walk out on that stage. You should dream about rising to his status. Believe me, Gord wouldn't dream of criticizing you. So, why don't you leave him alone and move on to someone more "worthy" of your expectations!

Please go and try to destroy someone else. There are plenty of "stars" out there worthy of your efforts, believe me.

Stay loose, eh?

LAMS

P.S. Just out of curiosity, are you one of those people in that group that call themselves "the Lightheads"? Sorry, but you just sound like it.

P.P.S.S. I'm not trying to start up another riot. I just had to say this. Please forgive me, all of you.

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"Love and maple syrup
go together like the
sticky winds of winter
when they meet....
If you go into the forest
Gaze up through the trees
The sky is white.
You can understand
What makes the forest
Greet the man
Like a mother's only
child ..."

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[Rob Wells]

I've read all these replies and I must admit that flaming the "The Guy Who Walked Out" isn't really the intension of any of the posts. Biology is the factor here. That and the fact the Gord quit smoking (I think). And let me tell you, he could smoke!!!

The fact remains, we all Love this man. Everyone will agree, He's no longer in it for the money. He's made his pile, but he never was in it for the the dough. Name me anyone outside of the the folk greats still living that hasn't dedicated their lives to spreading The Word of Love in the world as much as Gordon has. But then, Noel Stookey and Peter Yarough are bald now. Glen Yarbough's beard has turned grey, Mary travers has put on a few pounds.
Would you walk out on them because they too are showing signs of age?

For thirty bucks you get to hear and see a living legend. A man ,who with one song, recorded in one take, brought worldwide attention to the tradgic loss of a ship and her crew. Now a monument stands on both sides of the lake, as a testement to the sea. One song!!!!! And how many songs are in that catalog......over four hundred?

I can tell you that as long as Gord has it in him to go out into the world and sing his music, to remind us of who we all are and how we effect each other, to touch us all in places we don't even like to think about, then, he will. I pray each night that God will keep him safe and well.

You might also ask yourself if you're doing the same job you started with thirty-some years ago. Have you done as much to improve the quality of life in the world as Gord has? Have you touched and influenced as many lives as he has? Is your name known in every country, city, town and village in the world? If you can answer YES then, you're a very lucky person. If not, then you might lower your expectations a bit and give people around you some latitude.

Rob Wells

"Hear my song, as I sing it to the lost and lonely ones."
"A message To The Wind"
1967

P.S. Sorry, Florian for all the edits. My wife says I type like a gorilla and spell like a four year old.

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[Chuck Darling]

You only paid $30.00??!! damn I've been paying too much!! LOL and how many beers did you have before the show? you've been a fan for 30yrs? C'MON ON!!! I've seen Gordon numerous times since 1983 and yes once in awhile he'll hit a "clinker" during a song, but barely sing??!!.

My friend there was nothing wrong with the microphone, the problem is with your ears...Lams and Wes... WELL SAID!! and one more thing, the Lightfoot band is one of the best there is!!! So go back to your Insane Clown Posse concerts..they have the real message for you, me I'll wait for the Minstrel's return to Ohio!!!

Chuck.


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Ever Onward...

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[Frank v]

This is an interesting topic to say the least!

My view is...
If you attend a concert, like that one.You go to experience the essence of that moment, of a career of a historical, legendary artist.
The standard of performance, is always a matter of opinion, but its not that important.
The concert is unique {because tommorows, will always be different}.
The fact you were there in the same hall as the man himself.Is something you will always have.Something to share with your children {If you have any}or your friends, or future generations.
That is worth the price of admission, if not more, surely?

On the subject of 'that voice'.When I hear 'Painter' I hear a set of very good songs, which show his song writing abilities are still intact, rather than dwell on his voice, which after all was 58 or 59 years old at the time.

If there is a question mark against the status I gave GL.

Ask yourself this question.
How many artists, in the entire history of popular music.
Have made nineteen original works, of 'SELF WRITTEN SONGS' that span four decades.
Works that range from very good to classic.

I personally, cannot name anybody.

{I suppose John Stewart comes close...}

I'm covering my tracks now!!


Getting back to the original topic.
{I've almost forgotten what it is}

I do not wish to 'flame you' STK.
Everybody, in particular paying customers have freedom of choice.

I only wish I had the luxury of making the choice of walking out of a GL concert!
Of which incidentally, I would never do.
The lack of luxury is due to geographical, reasons not financial.

Just a thought...
If everybody used Gord language,
what a charming, better world it would be.

Why say its cold outside.
When you can say,'Its a wicked wind and it chills me to the bones'.

I'd better go or all I'll be here all night!

[potter]

I am 34. I love Gordon's music and talent as a song writer. He is CLEARLY, CLEARLY, the quintessential singer and songwriter. I have been a fan since I first heard my brother's Gord's Gold album in the late 70's, namely CRT. At that point I never could have imagined the depth and breadth of the artist that is GL.

Nonetheless, I recall my first live concert in Toronto, and the initial difficulty I had understanding the lyrics of songs that I was familiar with. I attributed this to nothing else, but Gordon's advanced years. I found that PATIENCE was the key in this regard. As the night went on it seemed that his voice became stronger and my ear more in tune. I was overwhelmed by the atmosphere and the thought of actually witnessing him perform. It bordered on spiritual. Hell, it was!

potter

'May all of your martinis be forever dry.'

GL

[Lightfoot678]

In response to the "disappointed" guy. You missed out on an opportunity I would love to have had. Walking out only after 5 songs and then critcizing the show to me falls into the category of yelling "they sucked!" after only lstening for 5 seconds. If you want to critcize the performer or the concert at least see the WHOLE concert before you critcize it.

Did you consider that maybe Gordon was just having an off night. It's not impossible. Even people who have been professional musicians for over 30 years may be off key on some nights. But to totally dismiss Gordon based on simply one concert is kinda dumb in my opinion.

Musicians aren't perfect. I know that for a fact and I am not a professional musician. But a 21 year old college student who plays guitar and sings as a hobby.

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Look into his shining eyes and if you see a ghost don't be surprised......Listen to the strings. That jangle and dangle while the old guitar sings.

The lake it is said never gives up her dead, when the gales of November come early.

[Roger]

To the disappointed fan: I've seen Gord twice live. Once in a theater in Phillie and the other time at an outdoor concert in a placed called Musikfest in Bethlehem, PA, on the closing night of the festival. In both cases they blew the audience away! Gord's voice may not be as strong and or mellow after the all butts and booze of the past, but that band of his is perfect! Down to the last ping. They are truly professionals. You gotta give the artist a chance before you walk out. Lightfoot is still Lightfoot. Nobody can touch him. I personally don't wnat to be blown out of the seats by a million watts of volume like the front row at a Kiss concert. I want to hear that old Lightfoot and company quality. Both times I saw him, it was there in full force without an overpowering PA system Bleeeehing out the melodic poetry of the words and folds of musical overlays. Get to another concert and have patience, or leave Louise at home if you just can't wait to get her outta there http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[BuddyP]

Given all the controversy about this concert I thought you might enjoy to read the review by the Springfield (MA) Union News. Here is the lengthy URL:
www.masslive.com/music/index.ssf?/eguide/pstories/la0313go.html (http://www.masslive.com/music/index.ssf?/eguide/pstories/la0313go.html)
Lightfoot carries on tradition
Monday, March 13, 2000
By DONNIE MOORHOUSE








REVIEW







NORTHAMPTON — Carrying the torch for '70s-styled folk, singer-songwriter Gordon Lightfoot delivered two performances at the Calvin Theatre Friday night.

Perhaps best described as Canada's answer to Bob Dylan (no need to discount at the current rate), Lightfoot performed for nearly — 1,000 fans.

The melodies were simple and the rhymes were purposeful, buoyed by Lightfoot's unique phrasing and recognizable cadence. It is that cadence that is his currency and has enabled him to maintain a core following for more than 30 years.

Lightfoot is big enough to have some very big songs and those who thought he cashed in all his chips by playing such songs as "Sundown" and "Carefree Highway" during the first of his two-set performance, were forgetting such hits as "Rainy Day People" and "If You Could Read My Mind," which were highlights after the 15-minute intermission.

"Sundown" was wholly satisfying as the crowd clapped along, keeping time with Lightfoot's four-piece band. Like rambunctious students, the audience continued to shout requests and Lightfoot responded like the favorite professor "admonishing" them with a wink and a nod.

Lightfoot went with the education reference on several occasions, pointing out such songs as "Ghosts," which he said was used in an educational film, and hinting he would be involved in an upcoming PBS special.

"Well, let's go to the big song," he shrugged, referring to the epic "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald." The true story of the shipwreck was brought to life by Lightfoot's historical demeanor and the band's haunting accompaniment.

On occasion, Lightfoot sounded withered, but nonetheless charmed, on such songs as "Pony Man," and his understated love song, "Waiting For You." He continued to chuckle at various shouted requests, some that went way back in the veteran performer's catalog.

The arrangements were standard folk with hints of bluegrass and an occasional turn on a blues theme. It was Lightfoot's graceful delivery that turned the performances into more than standard four-chord fare.

Lightfoot closed the performance with "If You Could Read My Mind" and "Canadian Railroad Trilogy," and walked off the stage to a standing ovation. He returned for a one-song encore and hurled a bouquet of flowers into the crowd.


I don't see any mention of the one person who left. :)

Buddy

[Wordsmith]

My reply may be pretty late in coming, but I am posting it anyway.

I have not been fortunate enough to have ever seen Gord live-or even on TV, for that matter. But that doesn't stop me from being a major fan--especially of his writing. I would simply LOVE to see him in-concert just once. He is, IMHO, probably one of the greatest writers to have ever drawn a breath.

[Rou0044@aol.com Chris]

I saw Gord twice in '99. Although his voice is not what it used to be, it was incredible just seeing the man who has brought so much incredible music and memories to this world, and to my life over the years. At a live concert, a true fan can forgive the passage of time, and enjoy just being in the same room with a poet, legend, and genius. Music is more than just the sound one remembers from recordings, but how it makes you feel inside. I traveled many miles to see Gordon Lightfoot. I hung on every word sung and every word spoken. I took it for what it was. A wonderful evening of words, melodies, and music that I love and will continue to play, study, learn from, and listen to until I make no sound at all...

[Paul J B]

Chris all I can say is very well said.

[Florian]

Chris - you really hit the nail.
Thanks for your posting.

[geo]

Yes, I saw Gordon recently (summer 1999 or was it 98? can't remember) at the Palace in Stamford, CT and I too was very dissapointed-his voice was terrible, but the band was good. But that was the first time I saw him in concert and based on some reviews I read at Amazon.com, I was expecting that maybe he got his voice back, or maybe it would be better than the quality on the "waiting for you" album, so I went. Plus, I figured that if he is touring he must sound at least somewhat what he used to sound like-but that was clearly not the case. I thought he would have more respect for himself and his fans-If he can't sound like he used to why bother? It's too painful to listen when compared to what we are used to hearing. He is still one of my favorite artists, if not my favorite-my Truck CD collection has mostly Gordon's music and I listen to his music all the time when driving-I'll probably be listening to it till I die.

There is a review at Amazon.com titled-"Golden voice gone" and that pretty much sums it up.

But I did not walk out on him, it was nice to see him in person. The people around me though also were dissapointed-the women next to me left at intermission. When he started "If you could read my mind" the other women next to me gasped and looked at her husband with dissapointment-I guess they too had not followed Gord in concert and were expecting to hear the old Gord. You can't blame them-if they see that Gordon Lightfoot is coming in concert they expect to hear at least something like the old Gord, and I can understand why you and they would be dissapointed in paying $30. I remember driving home from the concert and listening to the Sundown CD and I thought what a shame, but that is what aging does to you, we can't escape it.

Reading the other replies, I see that some people really let you have it. Well, they won't be happy with me either because Gordon was recently scheduled to be at the Shubert on March 9, 2000 in New Haven and I did not go. But here is the thing-I literally work right across the street from the Shubert, My office directly overlooks it-I frequently play Gordon's music in my office-and I did not feel any urge to go! I would walk out of my office every day and see the sign posting Gordon Lightfoot coming in concert and I really wished I could go and hear the old Gord, but I felt no urge based on the Stamford, CT show and the other reviews I've read, not to mention the quality of his voice on painter passing through. I don't feel like I missed anything-If Gordon can't sound like he used to, then I don't want to see him. And not just that-he really sounds terrible-like a croaking toad! I think he should give it up, his voice just is gone and it's too painfull for many of us.

[Gord]

Well I found it a bit unsettling to hear that you feel he ought to give it up cuz his voice is gone ( in your opinion) His voice hasn't had that deep resonance in 15 years so in my view anybody who has followed him would know he has a high nasal sounding voice. You will get your wish one day, he did say on Much Music last summer that he is looking toward 65 as quitting time or he will keep going as long as the people will have him. IMHO he is Canada's version of Elvis Presly and we are fortunate Gord is still here while Elvis has been gone since 77.

[chris]

Gord, I agree with you. I don't understand why someone would expect a singer to sound the same over a 30 year period. I just don't get it. I refrained from responding to the original post, but I couldn't anymore after reading this last one. His voice is different, but to say it's gone and he should give it up... again I don't get it. I've seen him twice this year, both concerts he delivered the beautiful songs in that same cadence, with that great phrasing. It wasn't the 60s and 70s Lightfoot. It was the 90s version and that was great too, a little different perhaps but great. I truly think that most people who haven't heard or seen him since the 70s get over the difference in his voice, most will see and appreciate that they are getting the same great talent, maybe just at a different pitch. What is so great about GL concerts now is that it is clear how much he enjoys what he is doing and how into the show he really is. Sometimes in the 70s that wasn't always the case. So seeing GL now is even better in my opinion.

chris

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"It took most of my time to do what never was done" -- GL

[Wes Steele]

To Geo....

My friend, you are not even close to having a clue to what's it all about......

Wes........

[Paul J B]

People like that need to just find another web site. The fact that you could say that and call yourself a fan. A fair-weather fan maybe. You should feel lucky Geo. I would gladly pay thirty dollars to see Gord. Like Wes said " Your not even close to having a clue ".

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[Lightfoot678]

To Geo

Regarding his voice changing I'd like to point something out to you. It's called AGING. He has gotten older. His voice has changed. But it still sounds good (listen to "A Painter Passing Through" for proof)

I am a major fan of Creedence Clearwater Revival. I was sadly born too late to see them in concert. But I did see John Fogerty solo in concert in October 1997. His voice had changed since the CCR days (wasn't as gritty). But did I walk out? No I did not. Did I say he should stop performing because of it? No. Was I disappointed that he left a few Creedence classics off the set list to make room for some newer material? Yes I would have liked to have heard the songs he left off. But I liked the newer material too.

The point I am trying to make is that people change and evolve. Their voices change. But we shouldn't wish they'd stop performing because of these changes. At least you saw the whole show before critquing it unlike STK. But you should be grateful that Gordon like Fogerty and Neil Young is still around and still putting out wonderful music.

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Look into his shining eyes and if you see a ghost don't be surprised......Listen to the strings. That jangle and dangle while the old guitar sings.

The lake it is said never gives up her dead, when the gales of November come early.

[Kevin7156@aol]

Geo, you should have made the trip across the street from your office.Gordon is a human.We are all human.We are all growing older.Gordon came out to meet you.You should have met him half-way.Strange what office life can do to a man.

[loveandmaplesyrup]

To RTK and Geo:
The only possible response to your ignorant comments is to just plain ignore them. They do not deserve to be dignified with a response.

Stay loose, eh?

LAMS

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"Love and maple syrup
go together like the
sticky winds of winter
when they meet....
If you go into the forest
Gaze up through the trees
The sky is white.
You can understand
What makes the forest
Greet the man
Like a mother's only
child ..."

[loveandmaplesyrup]

A gentle suggestion to us loyal members here: Perhaps if we just ignore people like Geo and RTK they might just go away and crawl back under their rocks or something.

They're not members. They're intruders and it's obvious that all they want to do is stir up a bunch of hostility and bad feeling among those of us who come here to chat and share good vibes with each other. I'm sure they didn't just pick this site to voice their ugly words. They probably visit many other sites of other artists and do the same thing. People like that often just get their kicks out of causing dissension. The best thing to do is to act as if they are not even here. Have your discussions and ignore any inflammatory post they make as if it wasn't even there. When they can't have their fun, you watch, they'll go away and invade some other place.

They obviously have problems and it's plain they are miserably unhappy people and want nothing more than to share their negativity with anyone who will listen. So, let's just not listen. We don't WANT to share with them. Let's just consider the source and go on continue to keep this site the happy place that it is. Maybe we should even feel sorry for them with their black and ugly outlook on things.

Perhaps they were abused children.

Stay loose, eh?

LAMS

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"Love and maple syrup
go together like the
sticky winds of winter
when they meet....
If you go into the forest
Gaze up through the trees
The sky is white.
You can understand
What makes the forest
Greet the man
Like a mother's only
child ..."

[dave g]

I saw Gordon at SUNY Purchase on 3/25. I thought it was wonderful! No reasonable person can expect a singer to sound the same at 62 as they did at 32, especially after (and it's no big secret) smoking and drinking for so many years. Even the greatest opera singers, who are trained to sing perfectly, start to decline as the years go on, but if they have some interpretive gifts to offer, the public accepts some vocal flaws. At the concert, I noticed that Gordon was enunciating very clearly, perhaps to make up for the loss of some of the vocal richness. His band was solidly professional, as always. I prefer this type of performance, that is, getting down to business and playing the music, as opposed to seeing ostentatious costumes, light shows, unnecessary dance numbers, etc etc. Just give me the music, and that's what Gordon and his band gave. And very well indeed.

[geo]

OK, take a deep breath, calm down. Well, I'm obviously not going to argue with anyone who still wants to go see GL live-if you still like what you hear and are part of, then, that's a good thing. I just provided an opinion of the quality of show I witnessed in Stamford, CT. I was honestly expecting something better. With all the new advances in medicine, I thought maybe something was done and that his voice would sound better than it did on the WFY album, but I guess he has irreversible damage. At many times it was quite "straining" to say the least, and I was not the only one, I looked around and felt, saw, and heard the same thing. So that is why I don't wish to see him in concert. Also, I would be embarassed to bring a friend. I was recently playing Gord's Gold and my friend said he could not understand his mumbling, I can imagine what he would say if I brought him to a recent show-I'd never hear the end of it. I don't know why more people don't like GL and why radio stations don't play some of his other songs.

There are many people who follow GL but have never seen him in concert, or who do not have some of the more recent albums-they are not all available on CD. I provided an opinion for them if they choose to go see him for the first time, a sort of warning of not to expect much, and to be prepared to be dissapointed. And they may not have $35 to just throw away. They would be better of using it to buy CD's they don't have of GL.

Of course the audience was well behaved, and I was and I always clapped. But overall it was a dissapointment for me-I'm not complaining about the $35, At least I got to see him in person for the first time. But there are other people who probably are, and as a matter of fact, I noticed someone on the way out who stopped at the ticket office and I overheard him say he wanted a refund.

But, obviously, most of the people there knew what to expect, but there were people there like me who saw him for the first time live and we were rightly dissapointed.

So, that is all I have and want to say to people who want an opinion on GL in concert, and who have not seen him live. I like this web sight, lots of good info on GL.

Geeeeeeeeeese, calm down, it's only an opinion on a recent live concert, and there are many others who would say the same thing if you asked, so what? These are just opinions. I listen to Painter Passing Through, but not often because, well, it's not that good, but just my opinion.

[geo]

Also, I want to clear up some of your opinions and comments of me. The day I made that post was the first time I have visited this site, and the first post I read was the one about being dissapointed in Northampton, and many of you really let him/her? have it. So just to offer a different opinion, I responded what I felt.

Also, just to clear up some other things you said about me:

"Have problems...miserable...unhappy...share negativity..." Actually I am a happy conservative Christian man with no problems or complaints about life except all the liberals around me in Connecticut, and the overall state of society in the USA, with our moral degradation and etc.

"Intruders...crawl back under rock...stir up hostility..." How can somebody be an intruder to an open type forum like this? I don't live under a rock, I don't wish to stir up hostility and as a matter of fact you won't see anymore posts about GL live in concert from me regarding this issue-I gave my opinion and that's all I wanted to do.


I would like to "share good vibes" with you and don't wish to interfere with others who wish to.

"They probably visit other sites and do same thing...get kicks out of causing dissension...inflamatory post..." I don't have time to visit many other sites and I don't get any kicks out of causing dissension-I see enough of it in the Yahoo message board for stock trading in the stocks I own.

"abused as children" Actually I had quite an ideal childhood-we were not rich, but we were not poor. I went to college, got a degree and work a decent stress-free job.

I stumbled into this web site after stumbling into another site. I was interested in buying some CD's of the music from the 50's-Perry Como, Dean Martin, The Mcguire sisters, etc. I was feeling nostalgic and came across a web sight dedicated to "the old America and they way it was." I realized that I never really researched anything about GL so I searched and came here. So that's why I'm here.

[geo]

One other thing, listening to music is individualistic. I would not call you names or say other comments because you like to see GL live or anyone else. Music is Music. Everybody has different tastes, likes, dislikes, etc. So what. If someone does not like GL live in concert so what, it is wrong to call them names.

I hate Elton John's music and his homosexual lifestyle, but he is very popular-I don't know why and don't really care-just an opinion.

[loveandmaplesyrup]

Geo and STK
Fine. Have your opinions. And like you both have said -- you had your say. Now go and rag on someone else. If you don't like Gordon Lightfoot, that's fine. No one really cares who you like or don't like. But then don't come here and rag on him. If you dislike him so much and have nothing good to say, then forget about him. Don't listen to him -- don't go to his concerts -- and don't come to his websites. It takes you a lot of time to write all the stuff you wrote. Why bother? No one here really wants to hear it and I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.
I, for one, am very offended by what you say. If you can't find one good thing to say, then perhaps you should just go on to someone else you DO like.

STK, if you're embarrassed to take a friend to a concert, then by all means do NOT do so. But you don't need to tell us about it. What's really amazing is that someone (Gordon)who has the stature, the talent and who has given us all the gift of his beautiful and inspiration music and lyrics can be so gracious while you can think so highly of yourself that you are just too good to be appreciative. It must be nice, I guess, to have such a high opinion of one's self. Again, my advice to you is, quit crabbing about Gordon and forget about him. Don't complain about his albums -- instead, just don't buy them. Don't whine about his concerts -- instead, just don't go. I'm sure you'll be doing Gordon and everyone else who loves him the biggest favor in the world.

Stay loose, eh?

LAMS

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"Love and maple syrup
go together like the
sticky winds of winter
when they meet....
If you go into the forest
Gaze up through the trees
The sky is white.
You can understand
What makes the forest
Greet the man
Like a mother's only
child ..."

[Florian]

Hi LAMS,

This board is a free and open community.

Everyone can post, registration is not compulsory. It makes no difference to the legitimacy of the content of a message if the user is a registered "Member" or remains unregistered. By registering with this discussion board you automatically gain "Member" status. "Members" have the advantage that they can edit/delete their messages, use signatures, count their total number of postings etc.

I can understand that you strongly object to the two negative postings under this topic, but I don't think that puts you in a position to tell the posters to leave.

At a certain point I think we must realize that where there is much light there also is shadow. But take a statistical approach. There are a total of more than 800 postings on this discussion board, and only two have been negative.

And secondly, if you read the whole topic again and imagine yourself being a person that has never heard of Gordon Lightfoot before - would this discussion make you attend a concert or avoid a concert? I think the former. Numerous persons have answered in the very best way to the negative review of the concert - to share their personal, very positive experiences with us.

That said, I think we must respect that all different kinds of opinions will come up at a discussion board and it will remain open to these postings as long as they don't contain insulting or otherwise objectionable content.

These postings won't change my view of Gordon Lightfoot, they won't change my appreciation for all he has done. I am sure they won't change yours, right?

And please, even though I can understand that you are enraged, please retain from personal insults. I know you have the eloquence to make your point clear without resorting to personal attacks.

Don't get me wrong - I don't want to defend what STK and GEO have written, you can imagine my thoughts about their postings.

But I kindly ask you to keep the discussion at a fair and even level, ok?

[geo]

Dear loveandmaplesyrup,

One final word,

I think you misunderstood a lot of what STK and I had to say. We were just criticizing a recent live GL concert. I don't know about STK, but I enjoy almost all of GL's albums, except the two recent ones. I am not going to bash him, I still enjoy his work-I just won't see him live in concert. I look forward to learning more about him, and I'll keep listening.

I think the two dissenting views about a recent GL live concert are appropriate and add balance to the discussion here. I don't think we'll see any negative posts about GL's work in total-certainly not from me. But new-comers to this site should be allowed to see dissenting views about recent GL concerts, that way if they have never been to one and choose to go they will be "prepared" for it. I was considering whether to go or not to the Stamford show and read a review at Amazon.com by someone who said they had seen him recently and that his voice had a rich baritone sound, and another few reviews were good-I got the impression that he got his voice back? But there were also negative posts, so when GL first opened his mouth and sang Waiting for you, I knew those people were just too infatuated with GL and were not giving a reasonable account of the concerts they had seen. So to other people who will stop by this site, and who have never seen GL live I think I and STK have provided a reasonable account.

That's all folks. Happy listening to everyone.

[vlmagee]

Geo: I am not going to jump on you, but I would like to give you my impressions but not here. I think this thread has been far too emotional (and yes, I too had emotions - and I typed and discarded two responses) and I don't want to post anything more on this subject. Suffice it to say (and it is probably unnecessary for me to say this), I am one of the people who thinks that STK made a mistake walking out, and that you made a mistake not going to another concert.

Would you be willing to give us your e-mail address so that we can exchange views that way? I promise I am not an axe murderer and you can safely let me know who you are - even if I do also live in CT. I skipped this year's New Haven concert (my son was swimming the 1000 free at a CT championship meet at Wesleyan that evening), but I did catch the concerts in Troy, NY and Purchase, NY two weeks apart. And I too attended the concert in Stamford, CT on 7/25/98 - in fact, I have a treasured photo of that occasion!

So, please, reply here with your e-mail address, or e-mail me directly.

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Valerie Magee

[This message has been edited by vlmagee (edited March 28, 2000).]

[geo]

OK here it is-geo1035@optonline.net

Anyone can email me I don't mind.

But I don't wish to argue this particular point anymore, enough has been said. Yes, I really do like GL, but wanted to let the orignal poster know that I too felt like he did-I guess we were both expecting something else, that's all.

[BuddyP]

Florian,

I want to thank you for your response to LAMS. I have been away for a few days and needless to say I was surprised by the intensity of LAMS response to what I felt was an honest view from an honest person.

The essence of liberty is the right to agree to disagree. No discussion is enhanced by personal attacks. I hope all of us can treat each person who posts here with dignity and respect. I have seen too many boards torn apart by "if you don't like what I say leave." To suggest anything about the character of another individual based upon his/her opinion is behavior that is unacceptable in any society. All of us have a responsibility not to let this board degrade into that kind of behavior.

Buddy

[Bob In Westphalia, Mich.]

At 37, I can say I've been a Gordon Lightfoot fan for over 30 years. I can remember listening to a little transister radio during recess in the 6th grade. That was my first exposure to Mr. Lightfoot's music. I've been hooked ever since. I've seen him in concert 3 times to this point. The last time being just last week (3/30/2000) at the Soaring Eagle Casino in Mt. Pleasent Michigan. I have also noticed that Gordon's voice isn't what it used to be. Although I still feel he is a very talented singer as well as a songwriter.

After reading some of the postings here, I feel it necessary to put my "2 cents worth" in as well. Watching the concert, and remembering the others I've seen, the biggest complaint I have is that the band members can't seem to get off the stage fast enough after the last song. Mr. Keene was actually standing while he was finishing the last song, actually walking away as the song ended. Jokingly, my wife made it her own personal goal, during the show, to try to get the band members to, at least, smile. We were in the front row, and she eventually got them all to smile except for Mr. Haynes.

I don't know about anyone else.....but if I were that tallented, I'd be smiling ear to ear !!! It's sad to think that with all the talent they posess, a person that had spent over $50 for her ticket was having more fun trying to get the band members to look like they were enjoying themselves on stage, rather than hearing the music.

I'll will always be a Gordon Lightfoot fan, and I'll still go to his shows when I can. I just find it hard to understand why the Lightfoot Band continues to tour, if it makes them that unhappy. If they only knew what their music does for people like me, maybe they'd smile alittle.

[Simone]

I saw Gordon at SUNY/Prurchase on March 25th, and I just have to say for the record, he was awesome! From the very beginning his voice was clear and strong, and I was impressed at how he's managed to preserve his voice after all these years. I did notice his voice was thinner, not as full and rich as before, but I expected that, and chalked that up to his age. He still had the essential Gordon quality in his voice though, still had that distinctive style all his own, and the thing that really did it for me was hearing the songs I've loved for so long coming straight from the source. I felt like I was truly witnessing a legend. So many of his songs are real masterpieces, so it was quite a joy to have The Master himself perform them for me. And he really didn't seem bored to me, like you would imagine someone would be if they've sung the same song a million times. Maybe I was just too much in awe to know better, but I got the sense that the songs still meant something to him, and it seemed to me he was putting himself into the music.

And then I noticed that as the concert wore on, and his voice warmed up, he sounded fuller and richer, much like the Gordon on my old recordings. Not exactly like it, but close. The band didn't always have a lot to do, but that's the nature of Gordon's music, and I like it that way. I can't blame them for being less than passionate about playing "If you could read my mind" for the umpteenth time. I credit them with sticking with Gordon for so long, because they do contribute the instrumentation that is part of Gordon's unique sound, and it would probably be easy enough for them to find other things to do.

One of the highlights of the concert for me was when Gordon did "Canadian Railroad Trilogy." What an incredible song!! A legendary song from a legendary performer. That right there alone was worth the entire price of the ticket. So I left the concert very satisfied, and glowing from the experience.

[Simone]

Not to make light Bob, but maybe Keene had a good reason for hurrying off the stage. Maybe he had to run off to the john or something! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif



[This message has been edited by Simone (edited April 07, 2000).]

[Bob in Westphalia, Mich]

Simone, don't get me wrong. I loved the show. It wasn't Gordon whom appeared to be bored with the surroundings, it was the rest of the band. And true enough, playing those songs over and over may wear on a person, I just don't understand the bands reason to have to get off the stage so quick after only playing for a hour and a half.

You mentioned that the band doesn't have alot to do....very true, and that is a somewhat unique quality to the Lightfoot Band. I'm not in their shoes, but I'm betting they make alot more money at their occupation than I do.....I know if I were anyone of them....I'd be smiling....and if you're not happy with your occupation anymore, it's time to get out ! I hope the Lightfoot Band never changes, it would just be alittle more pleasurable to think the band might enjoy the songs as much as I do.

I've seen a number of concerts in my day, and If I had the chance to see any one performer again, it would be without a doubt, Gordon Lightfoot.

[Bob from Westphalia, Mich]

Simone....you may be right...but all three concerts that I've seen? Maybe they werent happy to see me in the front row so often !!!

[Gord]

Having played the drumset in highschool in front of a fair sized crowd I can honestly say I am concentrating on my drumming rather than worrying about if I have a smile on my face. Sitting under those lights has to be hotter than hell at times and it must feel like they are chickens being roasted LOL. When I met the band last Nov here in Brantford, Barry was the first out the backstage door and into his van!

Back in highschool I learned that acrobatic performers can't honestly be doing their job right, it takes major concentration not to screw up. So that is my take on things!

[Janine]

LAMS, you may be right but I don't like hearing all of your negative comments. I think it's great that you are such a devoted
fan but I don't think that Gordon would appreciate your rudeness to other
members/non-members.

Thanks Florian and I also agree with Buddy P. These explosions seems to be a pattern with LAMS, I feel really sorry for you dear.

[lilymarlena]

quote:Originally posted by STK:
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STK[/B]


You are entitled to your opinion. I too was in Northampton, traveled there from central NYS to see him. I thought the Northampton show was wonderful> He was really ON that night, his voice was warm and wrapped itself around you, and the band was pretty tight that night too.

If you haven't seen him in a long time, then you did see a different Lightfoot than the one who appeared 20 years ago. This one is older, wiser, sober, and maybe he doesn't have the best voice he ever had. He's 61. But I enjoyed the show I saw in Northampton about a thousand times more than the one I saw in Saratoga, where a crying and confused Lightfoot had to be led off the stage.

But, as I say, you are entitled to your own opinion. If you don't attend, that will be one more seat for someone who doesn't feel the same way you do.

lilymarlena
--so if you should ask me what secrets I hide....

[rainydayperson]

One of the worst concerts I've been to was Pink Floyd in the mid-70s. The music was note perfect, the lighting was great and the overall effect was as flat and hollow as can be. Later on they hid behind a wall. I thought listening to the LP would have been more rewarding.
Recently I've seen Tony Bennett a couple of times. His voice has changed - it's much gruffer than it used to be; the notes are sometimes approximations, but his phrasing is still impressive and his presence is magnetic. Well worth seeing and hearing.
Which brings me to GL. I was lucky enough to have seen him in 1981 on a rare tour of Britain. If I saw him now - and I would give my eye teeth to have the chance - I would expect it to be different. What you must use is all your senses and appreciate the heart of the man who is putting across the songs in the best way he can. Just being there would be such an honour. Walking out is deeply disrespectful and I echo the sentiments of the majority of respondents.

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Bless you all and keep you on the road to better things

[painterpassedthrough]

Hi STK,

Wanted to let you know I feel the same. The golden voice is really gone- but the golden man is still with us, which is cool. I think one should be aware that gord is in a possition where he once was a mega star, and now mainly remembered by loyal fans.
This means that legends like him have either all-fans (hardcore fans) or no-fans, who may simply not know him. I've read all the postings here, and man- what people will say to convince themselves the voice is still arround. Here are only some excuses for the unsetisfying voice and performences : new tour, new night, new croud, voice wasn't warmed up, microphone problems, sound mix, off night, off key, was getting over a lingering head cold...

Anyway, all-fans here will say that if you don't like the voice (which frankly is nasal and long gone) you don't have a clue, if if you really love everything the man does, then you hit the nail.

Someone claimed here that it is "painfull" to listen to gord these days (these days being about two decades) while another fan said we should just lower our expectations. To tell you the truth STK, I think most hardcore fans here would be just content with seeing gord on stage going through he motions (he doesn't really have to sing)- as one fan here put it: the standard of performance ...isn't that important...the fact you were there in the same hall as the man himself is.

So- if you want to hear the golden voice- get Lightfoot 60s & 70s cd's. Want to hear a great live show? get "Sunday concert", want to hear a great contemporary live show? go somewhere else. And yes- there are great performers from the golden days that did take good care of their voice (someone here mentioned Peter, Paul and Marry- yes they are bald and put on a few pounds, yet the voices are mainly there and they still put up a worthy act).

It isn't a question whether Lightfoot lost his voice- it's a fact (smoking, drinking- what ever). It is really a straining experience to listen to him now (live or on cd).
The hardcore fans here won't acknowledge this- I guess being such a hardcore fan is like being in love, one is in love with the performer, and as in love, it is blind.

I guess this makes STK and myself Lightfoot fans (as opposed to hardcore fans), but if listening to "Now And Then", the two of us can't be wrong...

Salute

[CanadaGirl]

To All,
I have read every entry made on this posting..I looked at all sides...but not knowing where everyone here is from, Even tho, I saw alot of Americans...LOl
I would like to Thank All of You, for standing up for my fellow Ontarian, whether he sings bad or good, I will always stand behind this man! I personally don't care about his bad days, what I care about most, is this man, is what makes me proud to say I am Canadian, he shows from his songs alone what it is to love the land, the history, the people. There is so much honesty and truth in his songs, that at times it takes the breath away. So to the people who did not enjoy the concert, that is ok, we understand.. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif to the ones who loved it, we understand also.. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif
If you are a true Lightfoot follower, reguardless of what anyone says, if you have learned anything from his songs, it is to love no matter what!
Have a nice day all.. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif
CanadaGirl.. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif

[CanadaGirl38]

oops sorry I meant those to be smiley faces..didn't realize you had that trick..lol lol just think of them as Canadian Smiley Faces..:)