Valerie's website is gone

[Gord]

Hey Valerie did you take down your website??? Just clicked on it and it said " This site has been withdrawn"

[vlmagee]

quote:Originally posted by Gord:
Hey Valerie did you take down your website??? Just clicked on it and it said " This site has been withdrawn"

Yes, I took it down. The last year and a half has involved too much disappointment; I am too busy right now with paying web sites to maintain a site for people who don't appear to appreciate it. Additional note: I am not talking about fans. I'm sorry that I didn't make that clear originally.

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Valerie Magee

Visit my business site at adamapps.biz (http://adamapps.biz) and Cathy Cowette's web site at cathycowette.com (http://cathycowette.com)

[This message has been edited by vlmagee (edited May 09, 2004).]

[brink]

But Val I do appreciate it, I have used the songs and albums part constantly. I still sometimes get baffled by the initials that someone uses and go to your site to find out what song it was or if I can't make out some of Gord's mumblings I check the lyrics. I just there the other day for CYC, canary yellow canoe. Brain failures! If there is an article about Gord that I want to re-read there it is easily accessable. I know your busy with all the other ones. How sad for us though.

[TheWatchman]

quote:Originally posted by vlmagee:
Yes, I took it down. The last year and a half has involved too much disappointment; I am too busy right now with paying web sites to maintain a site for people who don't appear to appreciate it.



I thought it was a "fan site". I figured a fan site was for fans.

[Auburn Annie]

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
I thought it was a "fan site". I figured a fan site was for fans.

It is/was but they don't run themselves and Val does have a life beyond Gord. If you search "Gordon Lightfoot" via Google, the site is still cached there (click on "Cache")

[TheWatchman]

quote:Originally posted by Auburn Annie:
It is/was but they don't run themselves and Val does have a life beyond Gord. If you search "Gordon Lightfoot" via Google, the site is still cached there (click on "Cache")



Yes of course Annie. Thanks for informing me that websites don't run themselves, I did not know that. ["The last year and a half has involved too much disappointment; I am too busy right now with paying web sites to maintain a site for people who don't appear to appreciate it." It says on the homepage "This fan site has been withdrawn".

I don't think the disappoinment came from fans which must leave the source of disappointment with someone connected with Lightfoot. If it's a fan site, why would it matter if others' don't appreciate it as long as the fans do?

[TheWatchman]

All the pages are still there. Just the homepage has been changed. http://www.gordonlightfoot.com/GordonLightfootBiography.shtml All the links are still good and site has not been deleted. I betcha it will be worked out soon.

[vlmagee]

I am not talking about fans. I'm sorry that I didn't make that clear originally.

I know you guys and gals appreciate the site; most if not all of you have said very kind things to me about it, and I very much appreciate that. You are all not only "fans", but more important, you are friends too.

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Valerie Magee

Visit my business site at adamapps.biz (http://adamapps.biz) and Cathy Cowette's web site at cathycowette.com (http://cathycowette.com)

[SomewhereupinMichigan]

Valerie:

Very saddened to see your site offline, particularly at this time when there is renewed interest in Gord and his music. I hope one day you will be reposting it.

Thanks for all the great Gord coverage you've given us!

SUIM

[BILLW]

Val,

I thought it was a lovely site, best wishes.

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[searam]

I, too, am sorry your wonderful site is down. I just signed up for membership! Oh, well, life goes on and I wish you the best. It was a reallt great site!!!
Sean

[searam]

Oh, no! Now I am mispelling!!!

[Realist]

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[This message has been edited by Florian (edited May 10, 2004).]

[TheWatchman]

It's a shame the site is down beacause if someone wants to know more about Lightfoot, what CD's are available etc., the first place they go to is gordonlightfoot.com. I've said it before and I will again, for the past few years I saw Gordon many times in concert because of her site. Otherwise I would have had no way of ever knowing when and where he was playing. It's a lot of work to track down Lightfoot's touring schedule and it was all too easy just to go to Val's site. Too bad and I hope things work out and it get's put back up.

Realist must have been an A+ student in English. stupoid? assclown?

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by Realist:
Give it up .
That sir was quite uncalled for it is not only disgusting but is irrelevant and ill-informed
troll somewhere else you non-fan nobody



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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[BILLW]

Realist is a prime example of why posting should be restricted to registered members who have provided a valid email address. Then we wouldn't be subjected to trash like that.

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[TheWatchman]

Exactly Bill. I suggested this months ago but was accused of being a forum nazi or whatever it was.

[Gord]

I still have my website up and running... given this latest news it will probably undergo some changes soon. I have a job so I can't devote time to it 24/7 but I will attempt to do my best.

[EMP]

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[This message has been edited by Florian (edited May 10, 2004).]

[Jenney]

For those of you that read both Corfid and the newsgroup, someone named "The Watchman" posted something nasty on the newsgroup.

It was obvious to me even before looking at the ISP that it wasn't "our" Watchman. This person is in Toronto, and is hiding his identity. The original troll message, the Mai Tai, and The Watchman were all posted from Bell Sympatico in Toronto.

Our Watchman does not seem the cowardly type, and is able to take the heat if he dishes something out. I didn't want Watchman to take the blame for this, as I enjoy his posts.

I encourage everyone to not feed the trolls. Obviously this person is just trying to get attention.

Jenney

[Florian]

Valerie, your website was the most up to date one and I am sure many many fans appreciated it. Thanks for the work you did for us fans over all those years and maybe there's a glimpse of hope you'll reconsider and put it back online http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

@TheWatchman & BILLW:
We could change the forum in a way that only registered users can post and that during the registration process the validity of the email is checked. However, this will also result in a more restricted access to the forum and would not automatically prevent entry for persons with malicious intents ("flamers", "trolls" etc) as they could simply start a free email adress with yahoo.com or hotmail.com and still get access to the forum, while making access for everyone else harder too. Therefore, unless we get flooded by stupid and unsuited postings, I'd like to keep access as easy as possible.

Charlene is doing a wonderful job at looking after our community and is very swift at catching inappropriate content.

Last but not least, should you have any concerns or suggestions about the forum or the website, please send me an email at: webmaster@corfid.com

[TheWatchman]

I can assure everybody that such ignorant remarks were not from me. It's really not my style to use cuss words and personally attack someone like that anyway. From what little I know of Val, she seems like the type of person to laugh off such asinine remarks anyway. Words can hurt but we must consider the source. How can I say this...? I may have to use a cuss word but there is no other way. Realist and those like him/her are assholes. The only thing that comes out of assholes is shit. So there you have it, it's now put in proper perspective.

I have always appreciated Val's site and the work she has done to keep it updated and have even sent her emails in the past telling her so.

I have a feeling that with the new CD now out, there will be plenty to talk about for quite a long time and losers like Realist will go by the way of the prehistoric Doe-Doe-Bird.

[j]

quote:Originally posted by Florian:
Valerie, your website was the most up to date one and I am sure many many fans appreciated it. Thanks for the work you did for us fans over all those years and maybe there's a glimpse of hope you'll reconsider and put it back online http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
And so say all of us!!!

@TheWatchman & BILLW:
We could change the forum in a way that only registered users can post and that during the registration process the validity of the email is checked. However, this will also result in a more restricted access to the forum and would not automatically prevent entry for persons with malicious intents ("flamers", "trolls" etc) as they could simply start a free email adress with yahoo.com or hotmail.com and still get access to the forum, while making access for everyone else harder too. Therefore, unless we get flooded by stupid and unsuited postings, I'd like to keep access as easy as possible.
how does having to be registerd make access harder sorry Florian I just don't get that. There are far to many irregulars posting here IMHO and it would be useful if the procedure for membership made it mandatory to provide a genuine e-mail addy with an e-mailed confirmation response to be actioned before posting
The e-mail addy has to be verified . There are far too many trolls on the Newsgroup who registered (with Google groups possibly)using fictitious addys
harlene is doing a wonderful job at looking after our community and is very swift at catching inappropriate content.
Quite so and If only she could learn how to post pictures she would be perfection personified!!

Last but not least, should you have any concerns or suggestions about the forum or the website, please send me an email at: webmaster@corfid.com
Wasn't it nice to see the name Florian s(spelt correctly) appear in a topic not once but three times.Welcome back "boss"[i]
And such quick action to delete those quite nauseating posts from the trolls. If only it were that easy on the Newsgroup!
and I think we can all forgive The genuine Watchman's language this one time

[SilverHeels]

quote:Originally posted by j:

Last but not least, should you have any concerns or suggestions about the forum or the website, please send me an email at: webmaster@corfid.com [/b]
Wasn't it nice to see the name Florian s(spelt correctly) appear in a topic not once but three times.Welcome back "boss"[i]
And such quick action to delete those quite nauseating posts from the trolls. If only it were that easy on the Newsgroup!
and I think we can all forgive The genuine Watchman's language this one time[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, it was indeed! Welcome, Bossman!
don't be such a stranger, friend.

[johnfowles]

So unregisterd "j" how dare you spout off that way
actually it was me but my stupid corfid cookie has "j" down as an option and I failed to notice that I had omitted to select my correct member name!!

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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[Char1]

I must agree Watchman - but we Canucks and Brits say "arseholes"....same difference!
lol
Char
http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

[violet Blue Horse]

Florian??? You mean there really IS such a person? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Who knew?

quote:Originally posted by SilverHeels:
Yes, it was indeed! Welcome, Bossman!
don't be such a stranger, friend.

[BILLW]

Florian,

Thank you very much for the reply. You are right of course but I just can't stand trolls. Thank you for deleting the inappropriate posts. You should really delete the troll who is using your name (Floorian), LOL. And by the way thank you for keeping this site up and running, I for one really appreciate it.

Thanks again,

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Cathy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by j:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Florian:
[b]Valerie, your website was the most up to date one and I am sure many many fans appreciated it. Thanks for the work you did for us fans over all those years and maybe there's a glimpse of hope you'll reconsider and put it back online http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
And so say all of us!!!


Florian, I think you should also delete this joker. He's trying to imitate John Fowles, for Pete's sake! (and doing a pretty good job of it).
:-D

Cathy http://www.cathycowette.com


[This message has been edited by Cathy (edited May 10, 2004. She will figure out how to do it right one of these days)

[This message has been edited by Cathy (edited May 10, 2004).]

[brink]

Florian, Have never met you and came after you had left, I must also thank you for keeping us going here. I have enjoyed it so much and met so many nice folks here. Thank you.

[Char1]

Yes Virginia - there REALLY is a Florian!
lol
right Florian???
http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif
Char

[brink]

Okay Val, I am really slow, since it isn't us "the fans" are you referring to Linus or EMP? If I have finally caught on, it would have been nice if they would have recognized your site, Linus refers to Wayne Francis' site on their Gordon page.

[jj]

ashame to hear, thanks for all the hard work, Valerie and best of luck with all http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

sure trust that Florian, Char and other webfolks, past and present acknowledge the the utmost thanks implied in "along with others too numerous to mention", from Songbook's liner notes - that's how i've always perceived it anyhow and i surely second that!

"A special debt of gratitude is due to Wayne Francis, without whom I could not have properly undertaken this project; his wise counsel and love of Gord's music permeates this entire set. Thanks also to Valerie Magee and Matthew Fifer, who (along with others too numerous to mention) carry the torch on the Web..."

please take care and thanks again! Jimmy

[2Much2Lose]

I too will miss Val's site, but having given the site so much effort for so long with little thanks, she owes us nothing. She deserves a break if she wants it or needs it.

Perhaps we should give thanks more often while we are enjoying something rather than bemoan it after it is gone. It's true about life, it's true about love, it's painfully true about Gord and his music, and it's true about Val's site too.

As one of the guilty, I say my belated thanks.

For those who are having trouble keeping up with Gord's concert schedules (or don't want to miss out when he resumes touring), may I suggest that you go to www.pollstar.com (http://www.pollstar.com) and register (free) for their service. You can designate artists whose concerts you want to be notified about, and when a new concert is added to the artists' schedules, you will receive email notification.

Pollstar's info is not as quick as Val's was, and it doesn't give advance notification prior to actual confirmation, but unless you need the first row at the concert or it's one of those concerts that sells out in 2 hours, you will receive notification in plenty of time to book a ticket.



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"And the laughter came too easy for life to pass me by."

[Rob1956]

So does it boil down to someone in Gord's organization wanting to reclaim the gordonlightfoot.com domanin? And "they" are giving Val a hard time until she relinquishes it?

[Janice]

quote:Originally posted by Rob1956:
So does it boil down to someone in Gord's organization wanting to reclaim the gordonlightfoot.com domanin? And "they" are giving Val a hard time until she relinquishes it?

I imagine not. At least if my understanding is correct in that one can't "REclaim" a domain that one never registered. I'll admit, I know nothing about web sites and domains, but I would think until such time as she discontinues the registration, fees, or whatever is involved in maintaining ownership of a domain, no one else can do anything with it whether the web site is active or not. I think it's time to accept Val's decision and stop trying to second guess her reasonings - she told us why she did it.

[Shelty]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Janice:
[B] I imagine not. At least if my understanding is correct in that one can't "REclaim" a domain that one never registered.

You are correct, however there have been successful lawsuits against individuals who own domains that are clearly useful to another business entity.

Two examples where individuals had to relinquish domains after lawsuits: ford.com and mtv.com.

[Rob1956]

Yes, Shelty, that was the scenario I was
proposing.

[Janice]

quote:Originally posted by Shelty:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Janice:
[B] I imagine not. At least if my understanding is correct in that one can't "REclaim" a domain that one never registered.

You are correct, however there have been successful lawsuits against individuals who own domains that are clearly useful to another business entity.

Two examples where individuals had to relinquish domains after lawsuits: ford.com and mtv.com.

Ah, thanks for the insight. As I said, I know nothing about web sites and less about registering domains.

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by Janice:
Ah, thanks for the insight. As I said, I know nothing about web sites and less about registering domains.
I am wondering if Valerie will make some response to this point but meanwhile it was my understanding that at one point she did indeed offer to transfer the domain name gordonlightfoot.com to EMP for a few corns of mill-fillers

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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited May 20, 2004).]

[TheWatchman]

Because she wants to make a point.

[Cathy]

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Because she wants to make a point.

If she took it completely down and made it unavailable, most people would just think she's having a server problem and that the site will eventually be back up. Can you imagine all the e-mail she would get? She has at least 8000 Lightfoot fans on her mailing list, and everyone of them would be e-mailing her to tell her there's something wrong with gordonlightfoot.com. The withdrawn message finalizes it. It's gone for good, whether we like it or not.

She's put over 2000 hours of work into that sight since it's inception. I'd say she's paid her dues. It's time for someone else to pick up the torch.

But dont ask for her pages, or offer to host it and keep it updated. She took a lot of pride in her work, and there is no way she'd give it away. It was done as a labor of love, both for Gord's music and for the fans. For six years she kept us informed and brought us together, and now she deserves a rest.

I can say though, she didn't take it down because of pressure to turn the domain name over. She's said there were disappointments along the way, not having a good flow of information, not getting approval from Linus to sell the CD from her site. How many of us would have bought from her? Probably more than a few.

Running a fan site is a very thankless job. I don't see too many posts where we jumped in and told her thanks. I'm as guilty of it as anyone. And I really doubt that Linus or EMP gave her much encouragement. I know that Gord thanked her just about every time we went backstage. He seemed to be truly appreciative of her hard work and support.

My big fear is that eventually someone else will register gordonlightfoot.com and just let it sit there and rot, or do a website that isn't worthy of his talent and long career. We all know Val's site was from the heart. The information was accurate. The updates were timely. I don't think the average webmaster, someone who isn't a true fan, will put the effort into it that she did.

Like the old Joni Mitchell song says, "You don't know what you got til it's gone."

I do wish people wouldn't speculate about what happened. My God, by the looks of some of these posts, we need to reincarnate Perry Mason!

When Val sees fit, maybe she will give us more of an explanation. Or maybe not. She sure doesn't owe us anything.


Cathy http://www.cathycowette.com



[This message has been edited by Cathy (edited May 22, 2004).]

[Rob1956]

I might get hammered for this but, whatever..
could it be that someone in Gord's organization really pissed Val off to the extent that she pulled the plug on a very good, respectful, well organized and researched website? I would even entertain the idea that Mr. Lightfoot has not one whit of an idea that this is going on. He prefers to stay on the sidelines when it comes to internet reverence of his career and contributions. Is it possible that for all the very much deserved praise and gratitude we have expressed towards Linus Entertainment, that they are behind what pissed off Val so much? Just speculating....

[Porcine Species Member]

quote:Originally posted by Rob1956:
I might get hammered for this but, whatever..
could it be that someone in Gord's organization really pissed Val off to the extent that she pulled the plug on a very good, respectful, well organized and researched website? I would even entertain the idea that Mr. Lightfoot has not one whit of an idea that this is going on. He prefers to stay on the sidelines when it comes to internet reverence of his career and contributions. Is it possible that for all the very much deserved praise and gratitude we have expressed towards Linus Entertainment, that they are behind what pissed off Val so much? Just speculating....

1956:
I venture that when you discover the one responsible for pissing Val off, you most likely will also have solved the JFK assassination conspiracy, the kidnapping of the Lindberg baby, and possibly even the Chandra Levy killing. More things are connected than most of us would like to believe.

[Gaby]

Hmmm?
Bilderberg and the giant lizards!
I'd never have twigged that one.

[TheWatchman]

Jimmy Hoffa might be found as well.

[Auburn Annie]

quote:Originally posted by ColoradoSue:


<snip>
And what is the point in hanging onto the domain name (or keeping the site up) if she has thrown in the towel?
You're either though with the whole debacle or you're not. <snip>



Uh, I doubt it's for sentimental reasons. More likely it's to prevent it from falling into the hands of those scavengers that buy up dormant domain names and use 'em for porn sites. EMP would be smart to buy the rights to the name when the present lease runs out, even if they never plan on using it.

[Rob1956]

I promise, no attempt to be snooty..just help educate. There is no such word as irregardless. You can use regardless or irrespective. Again, no slam intended.

[BILLW]

I may be wrong but it seems like here we go again: rant & rave and then delete the post leaving later readers to wonder what the heck this thread is talking to. It's funny how the quotes stay after you delete the original post. Maybe decaf might help.

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Cathy]

quote:Originally posted by BILLW:
I may be wrong but it seems like here we go again: rant & rave and then delete the post leaving later readers to wonder what the heck this thread is talking to. It's funny how the quotes stay after you delete the original post. Maybe decaf might help.

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif


Personally, I'm glad it's been deleted. It doesn't make sense for someone to rant and rave when they don't know the details.

Cathy http://www.cathycowette.com

[TheWatchman]

quote:Originally posted by BILLW:
I may be wrong but it seems like here we go again: rant & rave and then delete the post leaving later readers to wonder what the heck this thread is talking to. It's funny how the quotes stay after you delete the original post. Maybe decaf might help.

Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Your right BILLW. It's the same person doing it too. They run their big trap and run and hide in a hole like a sewer rat.

[Janice]

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Your right BILLW. It's the same person doing it too. They run their big trap and run and hide in a hole like a sewer rat.

At least you're not the subject of her "instigate and delete" tactics, this time, Watchman http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Janice]

quote:Originally posted by BILLW:
It's funny how the quotes stay after you delete the original post.
Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

That's why I always quote what I'm responding to.

[TheWatchman]

Very true Janice, true. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[lkarmstrong]

quote:Originally posted by Rob1956:
I promise, no attempt to be snooty..just help educate. There is no such word as irregardless. You can use regardless or irrespective. Again, no slam intended.

It is a word -- non-standard -- look it up in the dictionary.

[Rob1956]

My apologies, you're right. Now if we can figure out what "nonstandard English" really is....

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by Rob1956:
My apologies, you're right. Now if we can figure out what "nonstandard English" really is....
American English perhaps or "strine" (the down under version)!!!

John Fowles (tongue firmly in my cheek!)
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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[This message has been edited by johnfowles (edited May 29, 2004).]

[BerndFrank]

quote:Originally posted by SomewhereupinMichigan:
Valerie:

Very saddened to see your site offline, particularly at this time when there is renewed interest in Gord and his music. I hope one day you will be reposting it.

Thanks for all the great Gord coverage you've given us!

SUIM


I agree

Bernd from Germany

[brink]

Hi Bernd(?) welcome, another country heard from!! I don't think we have anyone else from Germany. Is Gord popular there? Please tell us how you came to be a Gord fan.

[germangordfan]

Hi, I'm german too but do live in Minneapolis now - moved here last summer from Pittsburgh...( came to the US in 2000 )

Unfortunately Gordon is not that popular in Germany. But when I picked up the guitar two years ago, I rembembered that my Dad had a Lightfoot LP and I always liked the music. So I bought the complete greatest Hits and fell in love with it instantly. I bought all the other Albums and are hooked ever since. There's barely a day now without Gordons music - my 3 year old twins get an early "brainwash"...

Well, that's just my little story how I became a "Lighthead"
I'm happy I found that newsgroup with all the great people here who share my love for this great music!

Claudia

[Shipwrecked_00s]

Well, hello friends...I guess i feel a little like Gord did coming out of that coma/time-warp, thankfully, without the pain....used to be a regular here some years ago, had a great time and was amazed that there were actually others out there who lived and died with Gord's music, from time to time, like I did. I took a quick look around tonight and it seems some of the original suspects are still here....Char, Silverheels, 2much and I think that cryptic electrical engineer from Moab, Utah is here also. Don't mean to bore all you others who I don't know, but when you haven't posted in three years it just like some other things in life...just kinda like the feel of doing it again!

But...how I got back here today, was how I landed here back in 2000 also...via Val Magee. Her's was the first GL site I found back then, led me to Florian's Austrian garden here and in many ways, changed parts of my life since then. I think I can safely say, that if Val had not had and maintained her website...and it was a masterpiece...I would have never found Corfid and would have never met Gord.
I had the incredible pleasure of meeting Gord and his band for the first time, not far from Val's backyard...a day I'll never forget...and then I became almost a 'regular' backstage at several more concerts. Fittingly, the last time I saw Gord's face, we were sitting in the front row or my Alma Mater's Auditorium, where he had just finished a two night stand. We talked like old friends, he modestly deflected any compliments...and then, he decided that he best be on his way. That was also the last song I heard him play...Early Moring Rain. I sensed that night, that for whatever reason, it would be the last concert, of perhaps 15 or 20 that I had attended.

Whether he ever performs live again or not...and forgive me, if I'm not up on the latest news...it has been a great ride, great memories and of course the music goes with me everywhere. But, had it not been for Val's diligent, selfless efforts over many years, I wonder how many of us would have missed so much of what we came to experience...from her news items, concert details to referrals here. It may seem insignificant at times, but there are also many, many times when I silently thank people like Val, Florian and Char for making such a wonderful effort, for the benefit of us all.

So Val...this is yet another lengthy, nostalgic salute to you, likely boring to others....but you are/were a fellow Nutmegger, I thank you for all your time, effort and expense and please know, that I will always be proud to have met you and for having you point me to Gord's backstage door...and a place that I call home.

Besh wishes always and don't become a stranger!