New CD's etc

[Gord]

Hmmm I haven't posted in some time but the recent announcement of yet another Greatist Hits package kind of boggles my mind. Don't get me wrong I am alwaya glad to see anything new from Gordon Lightfoot being released, but I was counting on a completely new package all together since Gord's Gold Vol2. With the advent of CD burners in most peoples homes these days, most people I suspect would rather burn their own disk than to get a rehash of something that has basically been put out before.

I may be shot down in flames in here on this one but after hearing the final four were yet again pushed back I simply had enough.... I just went and made my own CD's. The needle on my old turntable is still good so I just converted my last LP's digitally into CD's.

If anyone from Reprise reads this I say get with it.... people are sick of waiting for these CD's to come out........ they will make their own as I have.

[Gord]

Hmmm I haven't posted in some time but the recent announcement of yet another Greatist Hits package kind of boggles my mind. Don't get me wrong I am alwaya glad to see anything new from Gordon Lightfoot being released, but I was counting on a completely new package all together since Gord's Gold Vol2. With the advent of CD burners in most peoples homes these days, most people I suspect would rather burn their own disk than to get a rehash of something that has basically been put out before.

I may be shot down in flames in here on this one but after hearing the final four were yet again pushed back I simply had enough.... I just went and made my own CD's. The needle on my old turntable is still good so I just converted my last LP's digitally into CD's.

If anyone from Reprise reads this I say get with it.... people are sick of waiting for these CD's to come out........ they will make their own as I have.

[vlmagee]

I will restrain myself from saying what I think about your comments. Flames is putting it kindly.

The planned new CD from Rhino is NOT a rehash of anything. It is the first and only single CD collection that puts together Gord's greatest hits. It uses the original recording (with the exception of The Circle Is Small). It will be remastered (including four songs not yet remastered). Maybe you don't want to buy it. That's fine. But a lot of us will. And there are probably a few hundred thousand people who don't have a Gord album at all, like two or three of the hits, and will be thrilled to have the choice of a single CD with ALL of the big songs. Perhaps that isn't you. Fine. And, for what it's worth, this CD will make a very nice gift item for those of us who like to give our friends good music but can't afford to buy all their friends a boxed set.

The only albums that can be described as "rehashes" are all the reissues of Gord's UA material. EMI has been doing that for years, and I would guess that Gord doesn't like it either. Those albums contain random tracks from the pre-1970 albums and I don't generally recommend them to people because they would have to duplicate tracks in order to get everything should they ever wish to. And for the most part, the albums themselves have little to recommend them, although the recent Singer/Songwriter CD is rather attractive.

But the new Complete Greatest Hits album is nothing like that. It has an excellent selection of songs from throughout his career, pulling together UA and WB tracks for the first time on a single CD (Songbook was the first time, as a boxed set).

As far as the Final Four, first of all it is Rhino that is doing the reissues, and not Reprise. They are part of the same AOL Time Warner enterprise yes, but Rhino is the part of the company that does catalog releases, and they do a fine job of it. If you think that your homemade CD-Rs, "mastered" off the LPs and perhaps "edited" by you, is anything like what Rhino will be releasing, then perhaps you will be satisfied with them. Most of the rest of us will buy the Rhino CDs the day they come out.

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Visit my GL web site at gordonlightfoot.com (http://gordonlightfoot.com)

[joveski]

as for the final four, isn't the deal that because they aren't yet available to buy, it's legal to copy it off the vinyl?. I transferred mine a couple of years back onto CDR, they sound good, but they day they're sitting in the shops, I'll buy the 4 anyway

[wolfebay]

I think Val's reply was a bit too harsh. I do agree that this new release works on many levels, and that's great. But are they also going to include 2 previously unreleased tracks (as is the custom) so the die-hards like us have to buy the same songs once again? I think Gord was simply expressing the thoughts of many fans, like me, who would like to see something new. I'm sure I own pretty much the same albums that we all do, and I don't feel the need to pay again for songs that, between Gord's Gold 1, 2, and Songbook, I already have duplicate copies of. But I certainly won't criticize any of you who do buy it, for whatever reason. Just my opinion.

[wolfebay]

I think Val's reply was a bit too harsh. I do agree that this new release works on many levels, and that's great. But are they also going to include 2 previously unreleased tracks (as is the custom) so the die-hards like us have to buy the same songs once again? I think Gord was simply expressing the thoughts of many fans, like me, who would like to see something new. I'm sure I own pretty much the same albums that we all do, and I don't feel the need to pay again for songs that, between Gord's Gold 1, 2, and Songbook, I already have duplicate copies of. But I certainly won't criticize any of you who do buy it, for whatever reason. Just my opinion.

[Brenda]

I concur with Gord!

[Westernstar9]

I concur with Gord!

[BILLW]

As long as we're voting http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I must agree with Val, the day the fnal four are released is the day I will buy them http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gifKeep smiling folks!

[SilverHeels]

Are we voting? Well, I'm with Val on this.
I'll be buying the Final 4 as soon as they
hit the stores. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Bahama Star]

Yep me too !!.

With Old Dan definitaly first..

Keep Smiling Ron. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[catmanron]

Yep me too !!.

With Old Dan definitaly first..

Keep Smiling Ron. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Wingdrops]

It is my understanding that legally you are entitled to make a copy for your own use of ANY vinyl album you own, whether or not it is also available on CD. Similarly, it is legal to copy a CD or vinyl to a cassette for your own private noncommercial use. It is perfectly legal to tape a movie on cable or TV for your own use, and the same applies to songs on the radio. It is also legal to figure out the words, chords or scoring of a song and write them down for your own use. Part of the reason for the legality of such uses is that the artist is already receiving royalties (e.g. from the TV or radio station each time the song is played, whether or not anyone listens).

Now, if you borrow someone else's CD and burn a copy for your own use, that might be a problem (with penalties up to $10,000 or more), although the risk of being caught is very low except in situations of copying in volume. The problem is less severe if you already own the identical material in another medium and have simply made a copy for your own convenience. If you burn a copy to sell or distribute, or for commercial use (e.g., in a jukebox), that is DEFINITELY a problem. I handled a fair number of cases where bars and taverns were showing cable TV shows or sporting events in their establishments without paying commercial royalties. These businesses are making a profit due, in part, to the appropriated material, so it is not a "non-commercial use."

That's my understanding of the legalities inherent in this stuff. I should add the lawyer's caution that some of the above examples have not been tested yet in the courts, and instead are merely the extrapolations of rulings in similar cases. I should also note that this should not be used as formal legal advice, because there may be local laws which supplement the federal laws in this case (although I don't think so).


The moralities of the issue are another matter altogether. IMO, the artist deserves new royalties whenever he/she releases the material in a new format. So even if I were to obtain a bootleg burn of one of the Final Four, I would buy the album again when formally issued on CD. I feel it would be a moral obligation to do so, evem more so when Gord is involved.

Finally, I also would rather that the Final Four be issued than just another re-compilation of material we already have. Nevertheless, I'm sure that remastering will add to the quality of the new Greatest Hits CDs, and it will be nice to get some of the songs on Gord's Gold and GG2 in a compilation of the original releases, rather than the redone versions on those albums.

2Much2Lose


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"And the laughter came too easy for life to pass me by."

[2Much2Lose]

It is my understanding that legally you are entitled to make a copy for your own use of ANY vinyl album you own, whether or not it is also available on CD. Similarly, it is legal to copy a CD or vinyl to a cassette for your own private noncommercial use. It is perfectly legal to tape a movie on cable or TV for your own use, and the same applies to songs on the radio. It is also legal to figure out the words, chords or scoring of a song and write them down for your own use. Part of the reason for the legality of such uses is that the artist is already receiving royalties (e.g. from the TV or radio station each time the song is played, whether or not anyone listens).

Now, if you borrow someone else's CD and burn a copy for your own use, that might be a problem (with penalties up to $10,000 or more), although the risk of being caught is very low except in situations of copying in volume. The problem is less severe if you already own the identical material in another medium and have simply made a copy for your own convenience. If you burn a copy to sell or distribute, or for commercial use (e.g., in a jukebox), that is DEFINITELY a problem. I handled a fair number of cases where bars and taverns were showing cable TV shows or sporting events in their establishments without paying commercial royalties. These businesses are making a profit due, in part, to the appropriated material, so it is not a "non-commercial use."

That's my understanding of the legalities inherent in this stuff. I should add the lawyer's caution that some of the above examples have not been tested yet in the courts, and instead are merely the extrapolations of rulings in similar cases. I should also note that this should not be used as formal legal advice, because there may be local laws which supplement the federal laws in this case (although I don't think so).


The moralities of the issue are another matter altogether. IMO, the artist deserves new royalties whenever he/she releases the material in a new format. So even if I were to obtain a bootleg burn of one of the Final Four, I would buy the album again when formally issued on CD. I feel it would be a moral obligation to do so, evem more so when Gord is involved.

Finally, I also would rather that the Final Four be issued than just another re-compilation of material we already have. Nevertheless, I'm sure that remastering will add to the quality of the new Greatest Hits CDs, and it will be nice to get some of the songs on Gord's Gold and GG2 in a compilation of the original releases, rather than the redone versions on those albums.

2Much2Lose


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"And the laughter came too easy for life to pass me by."

[Janice]

Gee, it didn't seem to me that there was anything to vote on, here. Gord never said that he wouldn't eventually purchase the final four if/when they became available in CD format. He merely stated his frustration that the release date keeps getting pushed back and pointed out that the company's hesitancy to follow through with these releases could cost them sales. A very valid statement, I might add. Plus, he never said that this new greatest hits project wouldn't be well done, just that he was disappointed that it wasn't an album of new material.

You know, our musical icons aren't Gods. They and/or the companies that represent them sometimes do things differently than we would like to see. It's ok to feel that way and it's ok to voice it. It certainly doesn't mean that we appreciate or respect our idols any less. It just means that we accept that they are human and that they have to deal with the realities of the companies they contract with.

BTW, thanks for the legal tips 2M2L

Just my loose change http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Gord]

Okay now that maybe the dust has settled somewhat on this I will attempt to make a few points here. Okay the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in it's original version is not out on any Greatist Hits package except Song Book. Most artists who have a succession of Greatist Hits packages usually have completely new material on them.

Radio play has evaded Gord of late in fact I don't recall ever hearing one track off of Painter on the radio when it was released. If someone has please let me know.

New tunes that have been commercial hits include Dream Street Rose, If You Need Me, Baby Step Back, Anything For Love, I'll Prove My Love, Blackberry Wine, Daylight Katy, Endless Wire those are 8 that I know of and perhaps Rhino would throw in 2 more rarities and hey I'd buy it ( in my dreams I know) That was the point I was attempting to make with my original post.

Making one's own CD's will never match the quality coming from the factory, that I concur, however mine are good enough for to listen to in my taxi as it has a CD player and not cassette. It's not 100% perfect but it isn't bad.

I'm aware a new CD of brand new material is in the works..... I have heard the 2-3 new songs in concert which I can't wait to get my hands on in CD format!

Hopefully this clears things up.

[Gord]

Okay now that maybe the dust has settled somewhat on this I will attempt to make a few points here. Okay the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in it's original version is not out on any Greatist Hits package except Song Book. Most artists who have a succession of Greatist Hits packages usually have completely new material on them.

Radio play has evaded Gord of late in fact I don't recall ever hearing one track off of Painter on the radio when it was released. If someone has please let me know.

New tunes that have been commercial hits include Dream Street Rose, If You Need Me, Baby Step Back, Anything For Love, I'll Prove My Love, Blackberry Wine, Daylight Katy, Endless Wire those are 8 that I know of and perhaps Rhino would throw in 2 more rarities and hey I'd buy it ( in my dreams I know) That was the point I was attempting to make with my original post.

Making one's own CD's will never match the quality coming from the factory, that I concur, however mine are good enough for to listen to in my taxi as it has a CD player and not cassette. It's not 100% perfect but it isn't bad.

I'm aware a new CD of brand new material is in the works..... I have heard the 2-3 new songs in concert which I can't wait to get my hands on in CD format!

Hopefully this clears things up.

[Gord]

Okay now that maybe the dust has settled somewhat on this I will attempt to make a few points here. Okay the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in it's original version is not out on any Greatist Hits package except Song Book. Most artists who have a succession of Greatist Hits packages usually have completely new material on them.
Radio play has evaded Gord of late in fact I don't recall ever hearing one track off of Painter on the radio when it was released. If someone has please let me know.

New tunes that have been commercial hits include Dream Street Rose, If You Need Me, Baby Step Back, Anything For Love, I'll Prove My Love, Blackberry Wine, Daylight Katy, Endless Wire those are 8 that I know of and perhaps Rhino would throw in 2 more rarities and hey I'd buy it ( in my dreams I know) That was the point I was attempting to make with my original post.

Making one's own CD's will never match the quality coming from the factory, that I concur, however mine are good enough for to listen to in my taxi as it has a CD player and not cassette. It's not 100% perfect but it isn't bad.

I'm aware a new CD of brand new material is in the works..... I have heard the 2-3 new songs in concert which I can't wait to get my hands on in CD format!

Hopefully this clears things up.

[Gord]

Okay now that maybe the dust has settled somewhat on this I will attempt to make a few points here. Okay the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in it's original version is not out on any Greatist Hits package except Song Book. Most artists who have a succession of Greatist Hits packages usually have completely new material on them.
Radio play has evaded Gord of late in fact I don't recall ever hearing one track off of Painter on the radio when it was released. If someone has please let me know.

New tunes that have been commercial hits include Dream Street Rose, If You Need Me, Baby Step Back, Anything For Love, I'll Prove My Love, Blackberry Wine, Daylight Katy, Endless Wire those are 8 that I know of and perhaps Rhino would throw in 2 more rarities and hey I'd buy it ( in my dreams I know) That was the point I was attempting to make with my original post.

Making one's own CD's will never match the quality coming from the factory, that I concur, however mine are good enough for to listen to in my taxi as it has a CD player and not cassette. It's not 100% perfect but it isn't bad.

I'm aware a new CD of brand new material is in the works..... I have heard the 2-3 new songs in concert which I can't wait to get my hands on in CD format!

Hopefully this clears things up.

[mtheeb]

One more kick at the settling dust: My vote is for Gord's reasonable comments, and against the over-reaction of Val. The new greatest hits package is pretty much useless. I'd much rather see the Final Four released in April; another set of greatest hits (which aren't necessarily Lightfoot's greatest songs), remastered or not, could've been delayed indefinitely, as far as I'm concerned. I'd prefer a tribute album (various artists interpreting Lightfoot songs) or a collection of alternate takes; such would be FAR more interesting. The more I think of it, ALTERNATE TAKES WOULD BE A TERRIFIC ALBUM. Good gosh...whomever is making these (release) decisions doesn't seem to be a fan of music, or interested in the creative process, or a person with any imagination. Someone please tell me why I'm wrong!

[Restless]

One more kick at the settling dust: My vote is for Gord's reasonable comments, and against the over-reaction of Val. The new greatest hits package is pretty much useless. I'd much rather see the Final Four released in April; another set of greatest hits (which aren't necessarily Lightfoot's greatest songs), remastered or not, could've been delayed indefinitely, as far as I'm concerned. I'd prefer a tribute album (various artists interpreting Lightfoot songs) or a collection of alternate takes; such would be FAR more interesting. The more I think of it, ALTERNATE TAKES WOULD BE A TERRIFIC ALBUM. Good gosh...whomever is making these (release) decisions doesn't seem to be a fan of music, or interested in the creative process, or a person with any imagination. Someone please tell me why I'm wrong!

[Brenda]

As long as we're piling on here, I'll make another point:

I think it is safe to say that most of Lightfoot's fans are in the over-40 age group. Most of his fans have numerous albums and I'll bet most of the people that participate in this forum have "Songbook".

I just don't see where another "Greatest Hits" package is going to attract that many people. I was never a big Billy Joel fan, but I just bought his boxed set. It was probably better than a "greatest hits" package. Rhino Records is not particularly worried that buyers may lose interest in the "Final Four", as the response and demand in this forum has been pretty clear.

I'd love to see the sales figures for "Greatest Hits" after one year of sales.

[Westernstar9]

As long as we're piling on here, I'll make another point:

I think it is safe to say that most of Lightfoot's fans are in the over-40 age group. Most of his fans have numerous albums and I'll bet most of the people that participate in this forum have "Songbook".

I just don't see where another "Greatest Hits" package is going to attract that many people. I was never a big Billy Joel fan, but I just bought his boxed set. It was probably better than a "greatest hits" package. Rhino Records is not particularly worried that buyers may lose interest in the "Final Four", as the response and demand in this forum has been pretty clear.

I'd love to see the sales figures for "Greatest Hits" after one year of sales.

[Shane]

Sometimes I think us musically minded people take things to seriously. I too am disappointed that the Final Four has been postponed. But I also hope the Greatest Hits album is a rousing success! This will get his music out to people besides some of us diehards. Like it or not it takes money to keep the music coming which is why I want the album to break all kinds of sales records. Seeing it advertised on TV will be very neat! Waiting a few more months for the Final Four will not kill me.

[Scott Mac]

Sometimes I think us musically minded people take things to seriously. I too am disappointed that the Final Four has been postponed. But I also hope the Greatest Hits album is a rousing success! This will get his music out to people besides some of us diehards. Like it or not it takes money to keep the music coming which is why I want the album to break all kinds of sales records. Seeing it advertised on TV will be very neat! Waiting a few more months for the Final Four will not kill me.

[Mist O' The Morn']

Frankly, I enjoy all of the final four (even though I'm not a basketball fan), in one form or the other, and two, maybe three, of this group happen to rank among my favorites, so whether the release is on CD or not, it doesn't prohibit me from enjoying the music that I have enjoyed on any or all of them for some time. The music's there, it exists.

Nevertheless, it seems that music companies, or music distributors, have this uncanny tendency to release any number of greatest hits albums (I still use the term albums although there may be another term such as unit), because, in my opinion, they are unsure what the greatest hit or hits may have been for their particular artist.

Remake, remaster, rehash, "undiscovered" song buried deep in the basement of someone's home, it doesn't matter, I'll buy the new set because it sounds like a wonderful and great collection of music, albeit I never had an interest in Songbook.

My view is if you want this new collection buy it, if the four appear and you want them, buy them, if you want to buy a single from '79 buy it, or buy any other album of your choice. Now if you purchase, or graciously receive, someone's "burnt" collection of music (apologies to the attorney who's dissertation I found interesting), take it.

In the morning, when I grab a disk or disks, because I walk out the door without my second cup of coffee, and I want to listen to Lightfoot in the car or at work, with the addition of this new Greatest Hits set, I know I'll have a better chance of grabbing a Lightfoot album, and less of a chance of grabbing the Little River Band disk that may be in the CD rack.

As far as a vote, if one exists, I would side with Val even though Gord has some legitimate points.



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restless shadows

[walls]

Frankly, I enjoy all of the final four (even though I'm not a basketball fan), in one form or the other, and two, maybe three, of this group happen to rank among my favorites, so whether the release is on CD or not, it doesn't prohibit me from enjoying the music that I have enjoyed on any or all of them for some time. The music's there, it exists.

Nevertheless, it seems that music companies, or music distributors, have this uncanny tendency to release any number of greatest hits albums (I still use the term albums although there may be another term such as unit), because, in my opinion, they are unsure what the greatest hit or hits may have been for their particular artist.

Remake, remaster, rehash, "undiscovered" song buried deep in the basement of someone's home, it doesn't matter, I'll buy the new set because it sounds like a wonderful and great collection of music, albeit I never had an interest in Songbook.

My view is if you want this new collection buy it, if the four appear and you want them, buy them, if you want to buy a single from '79 buy it, or buy any other album of your choice. Now if you purchase, or graciously receive, someone's "burnt" collection of music (apologies to the attorney who's dissertation I found interesting), take it.

In the morning, when I grab a disk or disks, because I walk out the door without my second cup of coffee, and I want to listen to Lightfoot in the car or at work, with the addition of this new Greatest Hits set, I know I'll have a better chance of grabbing a Lightfoot album, and less of a chance of grabbing the Little River Band disk that may be in the CD rack.

As far as a vote, if one exists, I would side with Val even though Gord has some legitimate points.



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restless shadows

[jpardy]

I can't wait for the "final four." I am planning to take the "Shadows" CD and lock myself in the office for about a week. Hands down Shadows is the best album he ever made.

[Gary]

I can't wait for the "final four." I am planning to take the "Shadows" CD and lock myself in the office for about a week. Hands down Shadows is the best album he ever made.

[jpardy]

Hey I was just checking out the songs on the new one disc Greatest Hits CD due to come out in April. Not to rain on anyone's parade here, but how can you have a collection of "all" his hits and leave off one of his hit singles.

"Anything for Love" was Gord's last hit single reaching a solid #13 on the Billboard Adult Contemporary Chart with heavy airplay. It also peaked into the Country Music Chart at about #95 I believe.

If you are having a Greatest Hits how can you leave out this fine song?????

[Gary]

Hey I was just checking out the songs on the new one disc Greatest Hits CD due to come out in April. Not to rain on anyone's parade here, but how can you have a collection of "all" his hits and leave off one of his hit singles.

"Anything for Love" was Gord's last hit single reaching a solid #13 on the Billboard Adult Contemporary Chart with heavy airplay. It also peaked into the Country Music Chart at about #95 I believe.

If you are having a Greatest Hits how can you leave out this fine song?????

[ericjonander]

Hi. I'm a first time visitor to this website, and saw the messages here about the albums that remain unreleased on CD.

I've just been making some of my own CDs from LPs (not any Lightfoot yet). If you have an audiophile quality turntable (this might cost $2000 or more) and clean records, the sound quality can certainly be equal or better than the average CD release. If you have an audiophile quality soundcard in your computer for the analog to digital conversion, I imagine the sound might well be spectacular. However, if Rhino is doing the reissues of the Final Four, chances are they will be better than any LP to CD transfer. If it were another company, I might be inclined to just copy my LPs, and manually edit out any big pops or clicks if they occur on the old records. Most people don't have the equipment to get the best out of LPs, but after a long time without a phono cartridge, I recently started listening to LPs again, and am astounded and very pleased at the quality of the sound.

Legally, you can copy your own LPs for your own use. The artist has already received royalties from the original purchase. I don't see why there is a moral obligation to pay the artist another music royalty when purchasing music in a new format. I've double-payed a lot of artists by purchasing CDs when I had already purchased the LP. Frankly, I resent it. Not only that, but CDs are more expensive than LPs were, so you are paying a higher royalty than on the original releases that you bought.

[ericjonander]

Hi. I'm a first time visitor to this website, and saw the messages here about the albums that remain unreleased on CD.

I've just been making some of my own CDs from LPs (not any Lightfoot yet). If you have an audiophile quality turntable (this might cost $2000 or more) and clean records, the sound quality can certainly be equal or better than the average CD release. If you have an audiophile quality soundcard in your computer for the analog to digital conversion, I imagine the sound might well be spectacular. However, if Rhino is doing the reissues of the Final Four, chances are they will be better than any LP to CD transfer. If it were another company, I might be inclined to just copy my LPs, and manually edit out any big pops or clicks if they occur on the old records. Most people don't have the equipment to get the best out of LPs, but after a long time without a phono cartridge, I recently started listening to LPs again, and am astounded and very pleased at the quality of the sound.

Legally, you can copy your own LPs for your own use. The artist has already received royalties from the original purchase. I don't see why there is a moral obligation to pay the artist another music royalty when purchasing music in a new format. I've double-payed a lot of artists by purchasing CDs when I had already purchased the LP. Frankly, I resent it. Not only that, but CDs are more expensive than LPs were, so you are paying a higher royalty than on the original releases that you bought.

[joveski]

i agree there. and keep in mind that the final 4 aren't YET available on CD, so no one is losing any money (unless you don't buy them when they come out)

[Brenda]

quote:Originally posted by Gary:
Hey I was just checking out the songs on the new one disc Greatest Hits CD due to come out in April. Not to rain on anyone's parade here, but how can you have a collection of "all" his hits and leave off one of his hit singles.

"Anything for Love" was Gord's last hit single reaching a solid #13 on the Billboard Adult Contemporary Chart with heavy airplay. It also peaked into the Country Music Chart at about #95 I believe.

If you are having a Greatest Hits how can you leave out this fine song?????

Gary:
I'm not sure whether or not Lightfoot was involved in this project as he was in "Songbook". "Anything For Love" didn't appear there either. Lightfoot is a firm believer in consistency. "Anything for Love" is such a radical departure from most of the rest of his music, that he or Thane Tierney at Rhino may have ommitted it for that reason. Only Barry Keane and Mike Heffernan appear on the "East of Midnight" album, while the rest of the players were L.A. studio musicians. As far as I know it is the only song Lightfoot co-wrote (with David Foster) to make it on an album. Plus, he didn't play on the instrumental track.

It is a fine tune. It's just not what most Lightfoot fans are used to.

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[Westernstar9]

quote:Originally posted by Gary:
Hey I was just checking out the songs on the new one disc Greatest Hits CD due to come out in April. Not to rain on anyone's parade here, but how can you have a collection of "all" his hits and leave off one of his hit singles.

"Anything for Love" was Gord's last hit single reaching a solid #13 on the Billboard Adult Contemporary Chart with heavy airplay. It also peaked into the Country Music Chart at about #95 I believe.

If you are having a Greatest Hits how can you leave out this fine song?????

Gary:
I'm not sure whether or not Lightfoot was involved in this project as he was in "Songbook". "Anything For Love" didn't appear there either. Lightfoot is a firm believer in consistency. "Anything for Love" is such a radical departure from most of the rest of his music, that he or Thane Tierney at Rhino may have ommitted it for that reason. Only Barry Keane and Mike Heffernan appear on the "East of Midnight" album, while the rest of the players were L.A. studio musicians. As far as I know it is the only song Lightfoot co-wrote (with David Foster) to make it on an album. Plus, he didn't play on the instrumental track.

It is a fine tune. It's just not what most Lightfoot fans are used to.

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[mtheeb]

On future presses of EAST OF MIDNIGHT, "Anything For Love" ought to be permanently replaced by "Always On The Bright Side," that's how much I despise the former and adore the latter.

[Restless]

On future presses of EAST OF MIDNIGHT, "Anything For Love" ought to be permanently replaced by "Always On The Bright Side," that's how much I despise the former and adore the latter.

[SilverHeels]

I dont 'despise' any Lightfoot composition
but I agree with Restless about 'Always on the Bright Side'
I usually put it on repeat - that's how much
I love it!

[Brenda]

"Always On The Bright Side" is a very pleasant tune. But I compare it with a case of "Highway Hypnosis" I once suffered while driving through Oregon on I-5. It was a nice ride, but I don't remember much of it.

As long as were talking about subsitituting one song for another, I seem to recall a time about 20 years ago when albums (not just Lightfoot's) were released with 11 or 12 tracks. Now 10 is the standard and the thought of releasing an album with more than 10 is almost heresy. Anyone know why this is? (Both tunes could have been included)

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[Westernstar9]

"Always On The Bright Side" is a very pleasant tune. But I compare it with a case of "Highway Hypnosis" I once suffered while driving through Oregon on I-5. It was a nice ride, but I don't remember much of it.

As long as were talking about subsitituting one song for another, I seem to recall a time about 20 years ago when albums (not just Lightfoot's) were released with 11 or 12 tracks. Now 10 is the standard and the thought of releasing an album with more than 10 is almost heresy. Anyone know why this is? (Both tunes could have been included)

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[mtheeb]

The (best ever) Beatles released albums with 14 or so songs...sometimes twice a year! If you're a great and prolific band or artist, why not include as much material as possible, especially now that CDs can hold almost 80 minutes worth? A band such as U2 may be talented, but releasing an album every five years doesn't impress me. 13 (mostly exceptional) albums in about 8 years DOES. Studio time is expensive, to be sure, but too many artists these days fuss with fancy 24-track (or more?) sound gadgets; George Martin worked miracles, quickly and professionally, with (at most, as I recall) 8 recording tracks, often less. That being said, I won't name them here, but there certainly are many fine contemporary (adult alternative) bands that release albums containing more than a dozen songs and 40-60 minutes of music. What top-forty groups/artists are doing these days, I cannot say. Now in my late 30s, I've turned away from pop music and embraced classical, which offers far more God-inspired beauty...but that's a different topic.

[Restless]

The (best ever) Beatles released albums with 14 or so songs...sometimes twice a year! If you're a great and prolific band or artist, why not include as much material as possible, especially now that CDs can hold almost 80 minutes worth? A band such as U2 may be talented, but releasing an album every five years doesn't impress me. 13 (mostly exceptional) albums in about 8 years DOES. Studio time is expensive, to be sure, but too many artists these days fuss with fancy 24-track (or more?) sound gadgets; George Martin worked miracles, quickly and professionally, with (at most, as I recall) 8 recording tracks, often less. That being said, I won't name them here, but there certainly are many fine contemporary (adult alternative) bands that release albums containing more than a dozen songs and 40-60 minutes of music. What top-forty groups/artists are doing these days, I cannot say. Now in my late 30s, I've turned away from pop music and embraced classical, which offers far more God-inspired beauty...but that's a different topic.

[gatturaje]

Below is an email from the list moderator on Yahoo for David Mallett. David Mallett has taken upon himself to release his first three LP's on CD's. Maybe Mr. Lightfoot can do the same if he really wants those remainng 4 to be put out CD for distribution, either in stores or at concerts. Of course, Gordon Lightfoot probably has a bigger fan base that David Mallett. I have ordered my 3 David Mallett CD's. Good for David Mallett to do this. I hope Gordon Lightfoot could do the same, but I guess he doesn't own the master tapes? Anyway, if there are any Malett fans reading this, CD's are limited to 1000 each. Act now! Information below.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

Hi everyone!

I am SO excited to announce that we will be releasing Dave's first
three albums on CD in mid-April!

The albums are:
"David Mallett" (1978)
"Pennsylvania Sunrise" (1979)
"Hard Light" (1981)

These albums have been only available as LP's or tapes, and have been
out-of-print for a number of years now. They were produced by Paul
Stookey (of Peter, Paul & Mary) for his label, Neworld Media, Blue
Hill, Maine. The albums are NOT being re-mixed, and the audio
quality is OUTSTANDING!!!

We are producing a limited edition of 1,000 copies of each album, and
giving first notice of their availibility to Mallett fans at shows
and on this chat group. YOU are the people who have given so much
support and encouragement to Dave over the years.

Price for each CD will be $20 (including shipping), or $50 for all 3
CD's. You can order CD's directly from me at the following address:

tomgordon@avportland.com

Since this is a self-produced (and therefore, self-financed!)
project, we are encouraging fans to pre-order these CD's. They will
NOT be available through Rounder Records.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you. As always, we welcome your
comments and support.

For Mallett Music,
Tom Gordon
List Moderator

[Mike M]

Below is an email from the list moderator on Yahoo for David Mallett. David Mallett has taken upon himself to release his first three LP's on CD's. Maybe Mr. Lightfoot can do the same if he really wants those remainng 4 to be put out CD for distribution, either in stores or at concerts. Of course, Gordon Lightfoot probably has a bigger fan base that David Mallett. I have ordered my 3 David Mallett CD's. Good for David Mallett to do this. I hope Gordon Lightfoot could do the same, but I guess he doesn't own the master tapes? Anyway, if there are any Malett fans reading this, CD's are limited to 1000 each. Act now! Information below.

Mike Marmer
Germantown, MD

Hi everyone!

I am SO excited to announce that we will be releasing Dave's first
three albums on CD in mid-April!

The albums are:
"David Mallett" (1978)
"Pennsylvania Sunrise" (1979)
"Hard Light" (1981)

These albums have been only available as LP's or tapes, and have been
out-of-print for a number of years now. They were produced by Paul
Stookey (of Peter, Paul & Mary) for his label, Neworld Media, Blue
Hill, Maine. The albums are NOT being re-mixed, and the audio
quality is OUTSTANDING!!!

We are producing a limited edition of 1,000 copies of each album, and
giving first notice of their availibility to Mallett fans at shows
and on this chat group. YOU are the people who have given so much
support and encouragement to Dave over the years.

Price for each CD will be $20 (including shipping), or $50 for all 3
CD's. You can order CD's directly from me at the following address:

tomgordon@avportland.com

Since this is a self-produced (and therefore, self-financed!)
project, we are encouraging fans to pre-order these CD's. They will
NOT be available through Rounder Records.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you. As always, we welcome your
comments and support.

For Mallett Music,
Tom Gordon
List Moderator

[2Much2Lose]

I'll delurk for a moment to say that I ordered mine this afternoon. It will be wonderful to hear some of these songs again, I have them on vinyl but haven't played them for a long time. The first time I heard Dave Mallett, I thought it was an early Lightfoot tune I'd somehow missed. That was back in 1978, and he's still my second favorite singer!
Jenney

[Jenney]

I'll delurk for a moment to say that I ordered mine this afternoon. It will be wonderful to hear some of these songs again, I have them on vinyl but haven't played them for a long time. The first time I heard Dave Mallett, I thought it was an early Lightfoot tune I'd somehow missed. That was back in 1978, and he's still my second favorite singer!
Jenney

[gatturaje]

For Dave Mallett to do this for his fan base is wonderful and a verg big financial upfront expense for him.

I hope his sells all 3000 CD's quickly. That will show the record labels in the world who are so controlling on the master tapes they own.

[Mike M]

For Dave Mallett to do this for his fan base is wonderful and a verg big financial upfront expense for him.

I hope his sells all 3000 CD's quickly. That will show the record labels in the world who are so controlling on the master tapes they own.