New information about condition

[hfan]

There was an interesting article in the paper today that suggested some new information. Apparently, Barry Harvey, Gord's manager said Gord is periodically conscious. Here's a quote from the article: "It's alarming to all of us that (recovery) has taken this length of time, and his family is dealing with this as best they can. We're just happy it's going in the right direction, and every day he seems to become a little stronger." He also said, "There are some long-term things that have to resolve themselves." and "He is getting better every day slowly, the prognosis is good, but he is in serious condition."

This is the most information we have received in a while. Hope you find it informative. The article appears in the Hamilton Spectator of Friday October 25, 2002. The rest of the article says nothing new.

[Auburn Annie]

hfan, is this in the print edition of the paper? I haven't seen it on their online page anywhere.

[char]

I don't recall "aneuryism" being verified by the hospital or in any press I have seen. I have seen "abdominal surgery", "bleeding blood vessel", "abdominal condition", "gastro-intestinal ailment", "rare weakness in a blood vessel in his abdomen".
Whatever the ailment it was obviously very, very serious and this is at least some good news on a cold dreary Friday morning. I shall check the Toronto papers as well.
thanks,
Char

[70sFan]

Thanks very much, hfan, for posting this.

[ColoradoSue]

Hfan:
Please post a link to that exact article. Otherwise, if I don't see it, then I don't believe it.

Thankyou.

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[Auburn Annie]

Whatever the situation, getting better - however slowly - is good news. So for those who haven't already done so, how about sending along a get well/birthday greeting via Char (see that topic for her address). I've sent mine along.

[ColoradoSue]

Hfan...I apologize for my "dont-believe-it -till-I-see-it" approach but that's just my nature sometimes (It's just that I've been burned in the long distant past by not taking that stance!). The Spectator e-mailed their article to me.....thanks Hfan for sharing us the good news!
PS: Watchman was correct...they did not have their story up on their website.


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[formerlylavender]

Watchman, you certainly are a jack-of-all-trades. What don't you do or haven't you done?

Hfan, thanks for the update.

[Gord]

Thanks for the news tip....it was probably a wise move to postpone the Massey Dates, obviously there is no way he would have made it. I think the news he is drifting in and out of consciousness is to be taken very seriously and while I am hoping for a positive outcome of this, I feel we must all brace ourselves if this health scare puts Gord in retirement. All I can say is that I am grateful I have had the opportunity to meet Gord a handful of times and his band once and been to many of his concerts. Let's all hope that this isn't it!

[Oma]

I'm glad that he seems to become a little stronger everyday. Gordon's family must be on an emotional rollercoaster.

Thanks, hfan, for posting the update.

[gwen sue snyder]

hfan,

thanks this was great news for a drery Friday, thanks.

well gang he is slowly progressing. that is great!

sometimes we take for granted all of the blessings we have until they are changed and then how upset we become but, I am humble, guys we may never see him in concert again but he is alive and still kicking... ironic, he is a fighter because others would have gone to happier hunting grounds by now. We can all sigh that collective sigh that things are not worse...friends Gord is real sick and like Watchman, I agree that we need to be praying that Gods' mercies be with Gord. Also I will be praying that you all have a peace about this, because stress kills my friends and Gord would not want us to be stressed. "if old Dan could see us now, I know he'd shout out loud", live life fully! God bless your hearts because they are good and peaceful.

gwen

[char]

I know what an anuerysm is - my grandmother had a fatal one to her heart and my sis-in-law had two in her brain. I only said I had not seen "aneurysm" in any press stuff.
Char

[hfan]

Hi guys:

I've been away from the computer all day. I'm glad to see that my information has been verified. I know you don't know me from Adam right now, but for what it is worth, I believe in honest, straight up communication. The article appeared in the Hamilton Spectator, newstand edition. I was suprised to see it as I sipped my morning coffee. But I was sure grateful to get some bit of real information. As I've said before, I just want some info so that I can process it and know what to expect. By the way H fan simply stands for Hamilton fan. That's how I keep catching rumours and running into nurses who work there. Gord's staying in my town. If I hear anything worth sharing I'll let you know.

Hfan

[BILLW]

hfan,

Thanks! Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Cathy]

Actually, one can have a leaking artery without having an aneurysm. An aneurysm means a section of blood vessel blows up like a balloon, then bursts. There is such a thing as a rupture, which means that a section of blood vessel weakens and starts leaking. My father had a stroke that was caused by a ruptured blood vessel, but he didn't have an aneurysm. In the end, I suppose it didn't matter. He didn't survive it.
Hfan, did the article mention that he's been in and out of consciousness? Is what you posted the complete article, or is there more?

Cathy

[ColoradoSue]

Cathy:
The Hamilton Spectator kindly e-mailed the entire article to me yesterday (being that it wasn't on their website)...here it is:

The Hamilton Spectator Entertainment, Friday, October 25, 2002, p. D03

Lightfoot remains in intensive care
by Paul Morse

Gordon Lightfoot is slowing improving and periodically conscious even as he remains in a Hamilton hospital intensive care unit. "He is getting better every day slowly, the prognosis is good, but he is in serious condition," said the folksinger's manager, Barry Harvey, yesterday. "There are some long-term things that have to resolve themselves," Harvey said. Lightfoot, 63, is one of Canada's best known musicians who wrote hits such as Early Mornin' Rain, Sundown and The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald. He was rushed to McMaster University Medical Centre on Sept. 8 with internal bleeding from a rare weakness in an abdominal blood vessel, and underwent a series of complicated surgeries. Lightfoot is periodically conscious, Harvey said, but refused to provide further details. "It's alarming to all of us that (recovery) has taken this length of time, and his family is dealing with this as best they can," Harvey said. "We're just happy it's going in the right direction, and every day he seems to become a little stronger." Hamilton Health Sciences has included a Gordon Lightfoot page on its Web site updating his condition at www.hamiltonhealthsciences.ca. (http://www.hamiltonhealthsciences.ca.) Hospital spokesperson Heather Pullen said Lightfoot's family has asked that details about the singer-songwriter's condition remain private. Lightfoot was born in Orillia on Nov. 17, 1938. He came onto Toronto's folk music scene in the early 1960s and recorded five groundbreaking albums by 1969. Then, in 1970, he recorded If You Could Read My Mind, his breakthrough song that rocketed up the music charts in the United States, and has become one of the best known songs in popular music history. pmorse@thespec.com or Stoney Creek Bureau at 905-662-3811. © 2002 The Hamilton Spectator. All rights reserved.



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[Restless]

What would cause the prolonged unconsciousness? "Periodically conscious" sounds like he's most often unconscious, and "long-term things" also seems unsettlingly ominous.

[BILLW]

ColoradoSue,

Thanks for the post. The situation does not seem to have improved as quickly as "the casual observer" might have thought it would from the initial reports. But since no one reading these posts is a "casual observer" that doesn't apply here. Not wishing to read through another "flame war" I'm going to hold off on speculation, etc. for the moment. But I reserve the right to jump back in at any time, only kidding. Thanks again for posting the article for us.
Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/frown.gif

[ColoradoSue]

Bill:
Thankyou for your kind reply & such.
I read a Toronto Sun article (this month) regarding Ronnie Hawkins recieving his star on Canada's Walk Of Fame.
He told the press that he felt that the prayers & well-wishes from everyone was what pulled him thru his health ordeal & asked all of us (around the world) to do the same for Gordy.

Love heals!

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"Love is all we have, and the only way we can help each other"
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[Auburn Annie]

He underwent "a series of complicated surgeries" - meaning he's had several anesthestics, pain meds, and is possibly under long-term light sedation (not uncommonly used in ICU to reduce stress on the body while healing.) Twilight zone time, the gray fuzzies interspersed with periods of clarity.

Speaking from personal experience, I had a reaction to a very common analgesic, Stadol, with my second child. Instead of an hour in recovery postpartum like the first time. I was there almost 8 hours, hanging onto consciousness by my fingernails - and I'd only had a very small dose just prior to delivery. Not at all pleasant and entirely unexpected. The poor anesthesiologist apologized every time he saw me over the next 6 months - I was the first adverse case he'd had in hundreds.

[Auburn Annie]

ColoradoSue......

Thanks for the heads up, and from a good source, too. I hope Liz and family can breathe a little easier now.

[Cathy]

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
An aneuryism is a "weakened, enlarged (or ballooned) area in a blood vessel". This is what I wrote in my first explanation. Rupture, according to the Webster's Dictionary, means "to break apart or burst". Like I said, veins don't just bleed (or burst) without a stimulus. Although there is rarely a warning, that does not mean there was no stimulus. An "aneuryism" is the stimulus and the "rupture" is the result. Of course, if one is stabbed or something than that is a different stimulus. Again, an aneuryism does not just mean "ballooning", it also means "weakening" which may or may not accompany "ballooning".

Sorry to hear about your father. No matter what it is called, or how we perceive the facts, the end result is the same. My Grandfather had one in his stomach and my stepmother had one in the brain. We are all looking through the same forest but the trees keep getting in the way. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

hfan said in his first post that there was nothing else new in the article. Obviously there was more, but most likely the same updates that we have been getting. Interesting for sure.

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An artery can tear just like any other type of tissue. Actually what happens is, as you get older, your blood vessels loose some of their elasticity. And if you're a smoker, it's even worse, because your blood vessels actually become brittle. Sections weaken and the tissue eventually "breaks". It doesn't always balloon and burst. It can rupture without doing that.

Cathy

[Bridgewater]

I have heard from people in the medical profession, that when an older person is in the state that Gord is in ( in and out of consciousness ), their immunity is low and they are much more at risk for developing secondary illnesses, such as pnemonia.

[Rebecca]

Dear Watchman,
I really don't wish to belabor this technicality, but, in the interest of dispelling misinformation, I'll share a few sites and the information contained therein.
Both of these definitions of the term "aneurysm," as well as several others I didn't have time to copy and paste, indicate that an aneurysm is a ballooning of the aorta rather than just a weakening.
Rebecca

http://my.webmd.com/encyclopedia/article/1675.57076
Aortic Aneurysm
Aneurysm
An aneurysm is a bulging section in the wall of a blood vessel that has become stretched out and thin. Where the wall of the blood vessel bulges out, it becomes weaker and may burst or rupture, causing bleeding. If an aneurysm in the brain bursts, it may cause a stroke. An aneurysm in a vessel that carries a lot of blood, such as the aorta, can be very dangerous if it bursts.

http://www.academicpress.com/inscight/06041999/aneurys1.htm
aneurysm
Medicine
• a sac formed by the dilation of the wall of a vein or artery; sometimes congenital, but usually caused by disease and, occasionally, by trauma. Also, aneurism.
quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Cathy, I don't want to keep this going but please re-read my prior posts. You are agreeing with what I am saying. A weakened artery (or vein), by medical textbook definition is NOT only "ballooning" but also "weakening". Again, you can have a weakened vein WITHOUT any ballooning whatsoever. It is true about aging, smokers and veins losing their elasticity. That is why smokers are at an increased danger for having an aneurysm. When a smokers veins lose elasticity they become weakened, which by definition they technically have an aneurysm. Being that they have no symptoms, when it does rupture the term aneurysm is often used because the aneurysm had to be present before the rupture. Again, there can be other stimuli that can cause a rupture. Smoking can be a stimulus for veins losing their elasticity which naturally weakens them, hence the aneurysm. You can live with an aneurysm for a long time but once it leaks or bursts, it is a rupture. Whenever a vein weakens, for whatever reason, it is called an aneurysm. If a vein ruptures, it is caused by weakening or ballooning which is an aneurysm. To make it clearer, if a vein is ballooned, it must be weak (100% without a doubt). On the otherhand, if a vein is weakened, it does NOT mean that it is ballooned.

A lot of times people (and Dr.'s too I suppose) interchange the terms aneurysm and rupture. They go hand in hand. Someone walking around with an aneurysm is a ticking time bomb because at any moment that vein can rupture (burst, leak etc.)

Okay, let's move on. The bottom line is that GL is supposedly making progress and getting better each day. Let's just hope he keeps up the good fight.

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[Rebecca]

Dear Watchman,
Yep, I did think you were probably spouting off without having done much quality research. I'm still not entirely certain that you read it sufficiently carefully, but since you're not interested
in going back and forth, I'll let it go.
Rebecca
P.S. Sure, we can move on, unless you're determined to have the last word.


P.P.S. Sorry, Char!

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Okie-dokie Rebecca. The medical text (Medical Terminology, Second Edition by Alice Prendergast) which I looked in says exactly what I wrote. Did you think I was just spouting off without a little research on my own?

I really don't care to keep going back and forth about this. In the whole scope of things it really doesn't matter does it? Like I said, the end result is the same. Again, can we move on?



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[santarosalinda]

I found this board while desperately looking for info about Gord's condition, so I am a newcomer. I am feeling absolutely awful about what has happened to him (whatever it is). Like many of you, I have been to many lots of concerts over the years and have blindly assumed there would always be another one. I feel especially bad that I did not attend his August concert in Jackson, CA (just a few hundred miles away) because it didn't work with my schedule.

I must say that the tone and content of some the postings, with all the bickering back and forth,is really stupid. It seems that if all that energy was put into positive thoughts for Gord, he'd be out of ICU and upgraded to something better in no time.

[Auburn Annie]

Santarosalinda is probably talking about something called intercessory prayer. There have been a number of studies done on this over the years. See abstract below for an example:
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Effects of remote, retroactive intercessory prayer on outcomes in patients with bloodstream infection: randomised controlled trial.

Leibovici L.

Department of Medicine, Beilinson Campus, Rabin Medical Center, Petah-Tiqva 49100, Israel. leibovic@post.tau.ac.il

OBJECTIVE: To determine whether remote, retroactive intercessory prayer, said for a group of patients with a bloodstream infection, has an effect on outcomes. DESIGN: Double blind, parallel group, randomised controlled trial of a retroactive intervention. SETTING: University hospital. SUBJECTS: All 3393 adult patients whose bloodstream infection was detected at the hospital in 1990-6. INTERVENTION: In July 2000 patients were randomised to a control group and an intervention group. A remote, retroactive intercessory prayer was said for the well being and full recovery of the intervention group. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Mortality in hospital, length of stay in hospital, and duration of fever. RESULTS: Mortality was 28.1% (475/1691) in the intervention group and 30.2% (514/1702) in the control group (P for difference=0.4). Length of stay in hospital and duration of fever were significantly shorter in the intervention group than in the control group (P=0.01 and P=0.04, respectively). CONCLUSION: Remote, retroactive intercessory prayer said for a group is associated with a shorter stay in hospital and shorter duration of fever in patients with a bloodstream infection and should be considered for use in clinical practice.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 11751349 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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In general, the thought on intercessory prayer/healing, remote or otherwise, is along the lines of the Scottish verdict: not proven. Interesting, occasionally positive, more often inconclusive or showing no positive effect. In other words, there's no proof it works but doesn't hurt. And it has the salutary effect for the person praying of doing *something* for the ill person.

[ColoradoSue]

I ran across an article on the web that is an eye-opener (& a toe-tapper!)when it comes to distant healing...check it out:
Distant Healing

Theoretically, distant healing can help anyone, so many wonder if it wouldn't potentially be useful for cerebral palsy. Elisabeth Targ is a physician who has conducted research on distance healing. Though born into a Jewish family, she never went to temple, and was raised to believe only in the "super rational."3
Nonetheless, her physicist father was intrigued by such phenomena as clairvoyance and telepathy. Beginning in the 1960's he conducted research on parapsychology at the Stanford Research Institute in Menlo Park, California. During college, and then medical school at Stanford University, Elisabeth worked as her father's researcher. Today Dr. Targ is a practicing psychiatrist, and the Director of the Complementary Medicine Research Institute (CMRI) at California Pacific Medical Center in San Francisco, and one of the country's leading researchers in the area of distant healing (DH).

"Distant healing is any purely mental effort undertaken by one person with the intention of improving the physical or emotional well-being of another," explains Dr. Targ. "I knew that various forms of distant healing were widely practiced around the world, including prayer and psychic healing, and I knew that numerous, well-controlled trials had demonstrated the mental effects of DH on humans, animals, and other biological systems. However, not enough research had been conducted to definitively determine whether such activities had a clinical impact independent of psychological effects. I wanted to further the research in that area."

Even if DH has measurable effects upon patients, they are unlikely to dwell on the mechanics of the phenomenon. Reverend Laurie Garrett is the Chaplain and Clinical Pastoral Education Supervisor at California Pacific Medical Center, and one of Dr. Targ's colleagues. "It is not surprising to anyone who practices prayer that distant healing makes a difference", says Reverend Garrett. "Prayer is a use of our consciousness that helps us create our reality."

The first DH study that Dr. Targ and her colleagues conducted was on AIDS patients and took place in San Francisco between July 1995 and January 1996. This was before the introduction of "triple-drug therapy" (simultaneous use of a protease inhibitor and at least two antiretroviral drugs), which has been shown to have a significant effect on mortality. This double blind pilot study included 10 control subjects and 10 subjects treated by self-identified healers representing many different healing and spiritual traditions. The subjects and healers never met. The study suggested that there were both medical and psychological benefits of distant healing, with 4 of the 10 control subjects dying during this period, while no one in the treated group died.

Since the sample size was small, and those who died were older, the study was repeated between July 1996 and January 1997, using 20 control subjects and 20 treated subjects. At this point, triple-drug therapy for AIDS patients had been widely introduced in San Francisco, and mortality was less likely.

Different outcomes were evaluated, including:

Improved disease progression (fewer and less severe AIDS-defining diseases and improved CD4+ levels)
Decreased medical utilization
Improved psychological well-being.
DH practitioners were recruited via professional healingassociations and schools of healing, and each had at least five years' ongoing experience as a healer. Practitioners included healers from Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Native American, and shamanic traditions, as well as graduates of secular schools of bioenergetic and meditative healing.
During the six-month study period, the DH group experienced significantly fewer outpatient doctor visits, fewer hospitalizations and days of hospitalization, fewer AIDS-defining diseases, and a significantly lower illness severity level.4

Dr. Targ believed that DH was responsible for the improved health outcomes, as the study adjusted for most other variables, such as age, sex, ethnicity, and years HIV positive.

Fifty-six out of 131 controlled studies dealing with the effects of psychic healing on humans or biological systems have found significant effect, according to Dr. Targ. http://www.healing-arts.org/children/cp/cpprayer.htm


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[Rebecca]

Dear Watchman,


The term "aneurysm" had not been used
in official communications to describe Gord's condition. Someone -- I can't remember who, and it's really not important anyway -- wrote that Gord had suffered an aneurysm. Char mentioned that she hadn't read in official communications that Gord's condition had been described as such. You disagreed, arguing in effect that an aortic weakness in and of itself constituted an aneurysm. Cathy and Char both disagreed with you, stating essentially that an aneurysm is a ballooning of the aortic wall,not merely a weakening of the wall. You defended your position. I offered evidence that backed up Cathy's and Char's positions.


I'm not meaning to attack you personally, as you are probably a fine human being in real life, but you seem far more able to offer criticism than to take any of the same. You keep writing that it is time to move on, but you don't really move on. You respond, then I or someone else responds to you, then you respond back, and again say that it is time to move on. You don't have any real authority here; your only power to cause things to move on is to not respond yourself. If you respond, then once again say that it is time to move on, someone will almost surely respond.


You make the call.


Rebecca


P.S. This all reminds me of a certain character from "Cheers," the old sitcom.


quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Rebecca,

I'm not sure why you feel threatened so easily and have to resort to the subtle put-downs in your posts. No need to feel threatened and act nasty just because you think someone posted some incorrect info., although you are only trying to disprove one thing that I wrote and leaving the many other facts alone.

I happen to be in a unique position around here. My writing is gone over with a fine toothed comb for the slightest inaccuracy. I used the word "aneurysm" and was immediately repsonded to with a statement that it was never verified. It even went as far as naming all the words that were used by Barry Harvey or the press, which were all essentially saying the same thing. Statements like that always have a reason behind them. If you don't think so, than why would they have been written in the first place? That statement about verification goes back to the original flames that unless Barry Harvey uses the word to describe Gord's condition, we cannot. So I explained why I used that word and got another reply that my reasoning for using it was incorrect. So, I was told that I used the wrong word and then I was told that my reasoning for using that word was wrong. Amazing.

You guys are spending too much time trying to find fault with others that you back people into corners and make them back up every little word that they use. When they respond you try to label them as troublemakers. It's a game that I am growing very tired of.

I keep writing that it is time to move on as it really doesn't matter anyway. But you keep it coming.

Nice ploy...apologizing to the moderator for your hostility in hopes that it goes unnoticed. Fortunately, I am in a position that I do not have to apologize for anything that I have written here as I have not made my remarks personal. I only use facts when I am questioned about why I used a specific word in my posts.

For the record, I am responding to your post, Rebecca, and have discussed your personal remarks about your comment that you question my ability to read thoroughly and and NOT about the the exact meaning of the word aneurysm.


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[violet Blue Horse]

Is anyone here familiar with Reiki? It is a form of remote healing, in a sense. It is many other and much other, but it primarily about directing healing energies. I had not thought of that before, but I will contact a few Reiki people I know on the net.

As for belief. I believe that what is most important is that people believe in a higher power, whatever form that higher power may take. There could not possibly be one true religion or belief. Unless someone here has been there and come back and knows for a fact that there is just one God who has a strong preference as to how people worship him or her? There have been thousands of belief systems since human beings evolved self awareness. I believe they are all valid.



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[violet Blue Horse]

Why don't we let the moderators decide that? That is THEIR job after all.

violet

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Just a suggestion, before somebody throws a hissy fit, perhaps a new thread should be started in the "small talk" section for this. Before you know it, you will be looking down the barrels of about 15 guns. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif We've been there and done that.



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[violet Blue Horse]

For starters, call me violet. Hey horse is not acceptable. You have a nasty habit of provocatating discussions you then claim you don't want to have. If you don't want to go there why did you bring it up when you knew excatly, by your own admission in your post, what might happen? Yeah, go ahead and go back and edit that now before anyone sees it. If you want a discussion to end, why do you keep responding to it? If you don't want to start a discussion, why do you? You cannot bring up provocative issues and make absolute proclimations and not expect or allow response. YOU cannot have it both ways. But then, I believe I'm not the first person to say that on this thread.

violet

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Originally posted by violet Blue Horse:
Why don't we let the moderators decide that? That is THEIR job after all.

violet

Hey horse, they already have decided that. Just trying to help. In case you forgot, we were instructed of this in the past. Remember? We were told that religion, Christianity, chanting, pagans, atheists etc. etc. and any instructions or beliefs about all of that will not be tolerated on the "Gordon Lightfoot" message board. I didn't make the rules horse. I didn't tell you not to talk about this, just that a new topic that you all want to talk about might be left undisturbed if someone started it in the "small talk" board. Just trying to help but have it your way.

I would look forward to a chance to learn about other beliefs, but prefer to do so where we will not get into trouble. That's all. No more, no less. Perhaps a 126 yr. old rabbit can teach me something...

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[violet Blue Horse]

And for the record; a Hare is not a Rabbit. Two totally seperate creatures. Rabbits are born hairless, blind and in dens. Hares are born with a full coat of fur, their eyes wide open, on the grass. Hares have longer ears, longer rear legs and different diets, native habitates and mating habits. If you're gonna try and make a joke, get it right. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

violet


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No more, no less. Perhaps a 126 yr. old rabbit can teach me something...

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[BILLW]

I've been trying to catch up on this thread but it's mighty hard reading sometimes. This looks like a thread that might just go "POOF" soon, LOL. Do you prepare rabbits and hares with the same seasonings? Might they go nicely in the "gift basket" (sorry, wrong thread!) Be careful everybody that's trying to give the Watcher (oops, The Watchman) a stroke. If he gets sick or hospitalized then we won't be able to discuss him anymore or try to tar and feather him AND then what are we gonna discuss? BTW, for anyone that's so uptight that they didn't notice, I'm kidding, OK? Now please resume hostilities!
Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Rebecca]

I would say that I understood Violet's posts
very clearly, but if I said that, I'd probably be accused of making inferences about The Watchman's intelligence.

Rebecca

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Is that what you call biting a hunter in the a**? Your post doesn't even make sense.

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[violet Blue Horse]

I'm sorry. You're right. The only two people my "Hare" post made sense to would be you and I. For those who don't know, which is the rest of you, my email addy is WildMountainHare@aol.com. If you then go to the trouble to look up my AOL profile you will see under "Interests and Hobbies" the phrase "biting hunters in the ass". Though why any of you would bother to look up my AOL profile, I don't know. I created that addy a while back to honor the native Hares that live here on the mountain. They're amazing creatures, and most assuredly are not rabbits.

There. Now I believe we are ALL caught up. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

quote:Originally posted by TheWatchman:
Is that what you call biting a hunter in the a**? Your post doesn't even make sense.

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[Janice]

I don't know, Bill. I'm thinking that hares might be a bit tougher than rabbits, so they might require drowning in marinade - but I could be wrong http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

I always get a chuckle out of your humor!


quote:Originally posted by BILLW:
I've been trying to catch up on this thread but it's mighty hard reading sometimes. This looks like a thread that might just go "POOF" soon, LOL. Do you prepare rabbits and hares with the same seasonings? Might they go nicely in the "gift basket" (sorry, wrong thread!) Be careful everybody that's trying to give the Watcher (oops, The Watchman) a stroke. If he gets sick or hospitalized then we won't be able to discuss him anymore or try to tar and feather him AND then what are we gonna discuss? BTW, for anyone that's so uptight that they didn't notice, I'm kidding, OK? Now please resume hostilities!
Bill http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Janice]

Ooops, sorry Violet, I typed my response to Bill's kidding before I read your last post - I hope my comment wasn't misconstrued in any way. You'd think I would have learned by now to read everything before responding to anything http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif

quote:Originally posted by Janice:
I don't know, Bill. I'm thinking that hares might be a bit tougher than rabbits, so they might require drowning in marinade - but I could be wrong http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

I always get a chuckle out of your humor!

[violet Blue Horse]

It's quite all right. First you'd have to find a Hare, then you'd have to catch it to marinade it. The odds on either are not good.

As for marindade, I would suggest a nice sage rub myself.


quote:Originally posted by Janice:
Ooops, sorry Violet, I typed my response to Bill's kidding before I read your last post - I hope my comment wasn't misconstrued in any way. You'd think I would have learned by now to read everything before responding to anything http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif





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What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us.

--R.W. Emerson

[violet Blue Horse]

It's quite all right. First you'd have to find a Hare, then you'd have to catch it to marinade it. The odds on either are not good.

As for marindade, I would suggest a nice sage rub myself.


quote:Originally posted by Janice:
Ooops, sorry Violet, I typed my response to Bill's kidding before I read your last post - I hope my comment wasn't misconstrued in any way. You'd think I would have learned by now to read everything before responding to anything http://www.corfid.com/ubb/redface.gif





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What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us.

--R.W. Emerson

[violet Blue Horse]

No where does it say we can't trade recipes!

Hare is actually best if it's cooked slowly at a low heat. It is a little gamey in taste, and herbs like sage and thyme are great compliments to it's flavor. I wouldn't recommend marinade as you're liable to drown the delicate flavor of the meat with it. If you're truly worried about it being tough, which some of us are, cooking for the first half hour or so in a foil pouch helps.

It is best served with green veggies; nothing too strong in flavor, and a nice herbed bread is always a good choice as a compliment.

Hey, you think I've learned nothing living on this mountain? Squirrel Roadkill Stew anyone?


quote:Originally posted by Rebecca:
We occasionally digress. . . so sue us.






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What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us.

--R.W. Emerson

[violet Blue Horse]

No where does it say we can't trade recipes!

Hare is actually best if it's cooked slowly at a low heat. It is a little gamey in taste, and herbs like sage and thyme are great compliments to it's flavor. I wouldn't recommend marinade as you're liable to drown the delicate flavor of the meat with it. If you're truly worried about it being tough, which some of us are, cooking for the first half hour or so in a foil pouch helps.

It is best served with green veggies; nothing too strong in flavor, and a nice herbed bread is always a good choice as a compliment.

Hey, you think I've learned nothing living on this mountain? Squirrel Roadkill Stew anyone?


quote:Originally posted by Rebecca:
We occasionally digress. . . so sue us.






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What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us.

--R.W. Emerson

[Brian Drescher]

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