"PICTURE" that song...

[stationmaster]

O.K. good people, I will post some pics or animations that are related to titles of Gord's songs.
I will post one at a time until someone guesses. This time you can guess as often as you wish,
but try to give others a chance. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

Here is the first one!
http://homepage.mac.com/pmontani/.cv/pmontani/Sites/.Pictures/Sunrise%20Sunset/sunset5.JPG-thumb_140_105.jpg

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[LSH]

Sundown

[stationmaster]

OK I see you are going to keep me going. Good guess! Here is #2
http://www.cprheritage.com/photo_graphics/trainspassenger/thumbnails/a17566.jpg


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[LSH]

Canadian Railroad Trilogy.

too easy? hmm.

[LSH]

sorry. I'll stop guessing now and let those east coasters have a chance...

[stationmaster]

Thanks Laurel. I know you can guess all of them! Here is #3
http://www.houseboatvacations.ca/images/sumtm3_small.jpg

[jj]

Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald? hehe

[stationmaster]

NO!

[Auburn Annie]

Boathouse?

[Sidney Freedmen]

something to do with water...hmmm. how about the Marie Christine? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[Sidney Freedmen]

I withdraw my last guess. Farwell To Nova Scotia!!

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[bjb]

Christian Island?

[jj]

high & dry

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by jj:
high & dry
Nar....
Looks kinda wet to me
But it might just be "The House(boat)You Live In




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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[violet Blue Horse]

That boat wouldn't happen to sailing be on Lake "Couchiching" now would it?

[stationmaster]

The winner is AA with "Boathouse" Here is #4
http://www.caldc.org/images/index_20.jpg

[Auburn Annie]

My first guess is "Romance" though the flowers could represent "Apology" or even "ROSanna"

[LSH]

Dream Street Rose? or Romance is good too. But one has "rose" in the title.

[stationmaster]

If you only guessed one at a time I may tell you if you are correct! lol... http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Sidney Freedmen]

Dream Street Rose

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[stationmaster]

Sorry so late in posting responses. I have a NORMAL life as well you know! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I will post the easy pics first so have some patience with me.
Some of these songs will be a little difficult so it should get interesting down the line...

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"The station is for travelers even you must ride someday"

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[jj]

Can't Depend on Love? (can't always depend on roses either)

hey, sm, come on, that aint no boathouse ...this is http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif:
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://chelsearealty.com/WaterfrontListings/BrowningIsland/PhotosOnline/thumbnails/Dry%2520boathouse_jpg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://chelsearealty.co m/WaterfrontListings/BrowningIsland/PhotosOnline/&h=66&w=100&sz=4&tbnid=sgZWb3Lw0MkJ:&tbnh=50&tbnw=75&start=29&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dboathouse%2Bmuskoka%26start%3D20%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D %26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN

ok, disregard my nitpik ...can we quiz you also? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[stationmaster]

Yes Sidney you are correct. LSH was correct as well, but she couldn't decide! Here is #5
http://www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/prodimg/36AHgreen.jpg

[stationmaster]

NO you cannot! I am the "quizmaster"...hahahaha

[Jenney]

In a Windowpane.

[jj]

ok, it's all yours http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif i'm still struggling at being any kind of picmaster, good lord

failure is painful... i mean paneful http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

[stationmaster]

That was a good guess Jenney. Here is #6
http://www.mads-wallpapers.50megs.com/scenery/forests/thumbnails/TNVM75640.jpg

[brink]

Home from the Forest?

[stationmaster]

Good job Brink! Am I making this too easy? Guess I will have to get tough soon! Haha...
Oh, this is #7
http://www.bugkid.com/toad/pictures/tn_004_jpg.jpg

[LSH]

Uncle Toad Said, of course!

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[stationmaster]

Yeah, that was a give-away... lets see you guess #8
http://www.pfga.com/images/strawBTN.gif

[violet Blue Horse]

Is this supposed to be hard?

Wild Strawberries.

[LSH]

Wild Strawberries.

[LSH]

Hey Violet, think he needs some suggestions?
Maybe he needs to go for a less "graphic"
title...

[TheWatchman]

Okay smarty station, how about a pic for "Betty Called Me In"? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[stationmaster]

You are correct VBH. Hey LSH I am just getting rid of the easy ones. It will get more difficult. You will wish for strawberries when I am done here...hahahahaha
Oh, I almost forgot, here is #9
http://www.capetownskies.com/7981/13_cumulus_gapst.jpg

[LSH]

Clouds of Loneliness. and I'm half asleep, writing an email and thought I'd check on you...

[jj]

Heaven don't deserve me?

i'm almost there (asleep, i mean)

[stationmaster]

Yes LSH, I am still awake. Can't sleep again!
You guessed right again. I know these are easy. I get a kick out of the anticipation of it all.
I will post one more for tonight. The next one may be later tomorrow. I have a busy day ahead. Have a good night! Lorne...
Last pic for tonight #10
http://ozarkanglers.com/images/babler.jpg

[jj]

duh, that's much harder...big blue? lol

better get the ace to nail this one, night http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Auburn Annie]

quote:Originally posted by stationmaster:
That was a good guess Jenney. Here is #6
http://www.mads-wallpapers.50megs.com/scenery/forests/thumbnails/TNVM75640.jpg

I would have said "Knotty Pine" <g>

[Auburn Annie]

quote:Originally posted by stationmaster:
Yes LSH, I am still awake. Can't sleep again!
You guessed right again. I know these are easy. I get a kick out of the anticipation of it all.
I will post one more for tonight. The next one may be later tomorrow. I have a busy day ahead. Have a good night! Lorne...
Last pic for tonight #10
http://ozarkanglers.com/images/babler.jpg

Rainbow Trout

[Borderstone]

"Betty Called Me In"? Just get a photo of Betty Rubble or Rosie O'Donnell as Betty with her hand up to her mouth. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
(Sorry,no pic from me,I'm lousy at that. ...and don't aske me if Wilma or Betty is sexier...puh-lease! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

Sorry so late! Yes AA is right again. It is a rainbow trout. Here is #11
http://exteriorcreationsinc.com/photogallery/photo23468/green_killinga.gif

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[Borderstone]

I have two guesses and I know one of them is right! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif It's either,"Leaves Of Grass" or "Bitter Green" (which is what the grass would be if you ate it! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ) I'm 99% sure of myself. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

Which one "B" ?

[Borderstone]

I'll go with "Leaves Of Grass" (for $1000 Alex! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif )

(by the way,you should have noted that you only get 1 guess.) http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[stationmaster]

Leaves of Grass is correct for $1000
Here is #12
http://www.foothills-sar.ab.ca/memorials/Fitzgerald.jpg

[LSH]

The Wreck, as Terry Clements would say.
otherwise known as The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

I think your "normal" life is interfering with the difficulty level of the questions.
Still fun though http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[violet Blue Horse]

The URL of the photo was a dead giveaway.

quote:Originally posted by stationmaster:
Leaves of Grass is correct for $1000
Here is #12
http://www.foothills-sar.ab.ca/memorials/Fitzgerald.jpg

[violet Blue Horse]

Lets see if this works. How about this one? Name that song.
http://www.castleexplorer.co.uk/england/yarmouth/img/yarmouth1t.jpg



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[johnfowles]

well All Right how about something rather different??
Congratulations on a most interesting and challenging topic SM.I immediately thought of a number of favo(u)rite puzzle pics from the most wonderful wedding present we could have hoped to receive back in 2000.
A few here will have heard and even seen the "Lightfoot Quilt" made for us by a team of friends and fellow fans (many from the chat room) that was presented to us in Gord's presence backstage after his August 4th 2000 concert in Norwalk CT. This quilt was made from 40 quilt squares in an assembly some 9 feet by 7 feet where each square was the contributor's interpretation of a Gord song title or content. the one that had most of us guessing the longest was
by "trail" (Neil Robideaux of New Hampshire). I will show it below but I must of necessity and to be fair to all of those who have not seen it either at Norwalk or in May 2001 at either the "Charbeque or backstage at Massey Hall declare that the following are therefore ineligible to guess
Chief Quilter and general dogsbody Jenney her capable assistant sundown17/Diane, and theb following contributors (who all saw pix of every square at the time) silverheels/Bruna,
sundreme/Erica,dot/Dorothea Kemp, jj/Jimmy Jones and Janice and any others from the Newsgroup who may be interloping here
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot/square20.jpg
I have some marvellous video footage showing Gord examining the whole quilt with glee as he identified each of his songs
You can just about hear him correctly saying the title of the song represented by the square above


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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by violet Blue Horse:
Lets see if this works. How about this one? Name that song.
http://www.castleexplorer.co.uk/england/yarmouth/img/yarmouth1t.jpg
1. Congratulations are in order to the Multi-colo(u)red horse ror succeeding in displaying a picture here 10/10 for that. but no points for not realising that her selected pic comes from an English site and
as its URL reveals is a pic of Yarmouth and presumably the remains of its castle.You should have been more subtle Violet and followed Laurel's perfected practice of saving the pic and uploading it to Sidney's Gord Home Page then creating a "notlong" replacement address as a disguise.
Constructive criticism OK??
Never Mind he/she who hesitates is lost eh??




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starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[LSH]

sheesh John. Don't use me in your constructive criticism examples. lol.

[stationmaster]

Hey it doesn't have to be difficult. We're just gonna have a bit of fun here. Yes LSH it is the Edmund Fitzgerald. Here is #13
http://www.i17wideningstudy.com/assets/images/CarefreeTI-Cropped.jpg

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by stationmaster:
Hey it doesn't have to be difficult. We're just gonna have a bit of fun here. Yes LSH it is the Edmund Fitzgerald. Here is #13
http://www.i17wideningstudy.com/assets/images/CarefreeTI-Cropped.jpg
Hey SM since your pic's URL is:-http://www.i17wideningstudy.com/assets/images/CarefreeTI-Cropped.jpg
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to hazard an inspired guess.
So tada tada I'll go for Carefree Highway!!
SM Now howsabout you guessing my puzzle pic of the quilt square??
and Walter if you ain't got a new camera yet and want to emulate my "under the CFH sign" pic you had better do so PDQ as it looks like they might be planning to widen Interstate 17 and incorporate a flyover etc at that very place then what sort of sign wiil you be able to pose under???
Just tryin' to help
Same applies to our Laurel and others with that ambition!!!

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starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

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[stationmaster]

Yes John it's the famous Carefree Highway. I will guess "Too Late For Prayin'" for the quilt.
Here is #14
http://p.vtourist.com/1/597180.jpg

[joveski]

is that yonge st?

[LSH]

I'm with Joveski on this one.

for the quilt, I'm guessing Something Very Special, since it's the only one I know of with a rosary in it.

[stationmaster]

You people are too good! It is indeed Yonge Street. Here is #15
http://www.terragalleria.com/images/mountain/alps3097.small.jpeg

[LSH]

Brave Mountaineers

[stationmaster]

Excellent try! but that's not it... http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Auburn Annie]

Too Late for Prayin? (quilt)

[LSH]

whispers of the north?

[stationmaster]

No! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Sidney Freedmen]

this may be a out-to-lunch guess, but is it Don Quixote?


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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[stationmaster]

no

[Sidney Freedmen]

could it be, uh, maybe Song For A Winter's Night. if it isnt that, then i'm stumped for the time being.

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[stationmaster]

no

[LSH]

so I take it this picture represents the whole song, not just the title? have the rules changed then?

could be The Mountains and Marian, but that's an awfully manly Marian...hmmm.
good one. I have to think...

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[Borderstone]

It is,"Brave Mountaineers!" (or in this case mountain-eer!) http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Violet! Is yours Couchiching? No,seriously! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[stationmaster]

Yes LSH it is Maryann. She is a bit on the "manly" side!
Here is #16
http://www.earthwindow.com/images/whalethumb1.jpg

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[LSH]

Gorgeous colors in that pic...

[Borderstone]

Okay,I know I've got this one..."Big Blue"!

I still don't know about that "Mountains and MaryAnn" answer though. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif I think mine made more sense but hey...that's just me! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif - Borderstone

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[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by LSH:

for the quilt, I'm guessing Something Very Special, since it's the only one I know of with a rosary in it.
Absolutely spot on Laurel well done your prize will be in the (e)mail this afternoon
Now try this quilt square
http://johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/square14.jpg



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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[brink]

Hey John, no cheating! It isn't fair to check the URL on the photo (especially since I don't know how to do that) http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Jenney]

Hey John, what is a general dogsbody? Are there captain dogsbodys, or sargent dogsbodys?
Should I be insulted?

Jenney

[bjb]

Hey, stationmaster -- this is a lot of fun! Keep going http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

PS JohnFowles, I don't have a guess for that quilt square, but PLEASE link us to your video???

[stationmaster]

Yes "B" that was Big Blue. Here is #17
http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/thumb/a/ac/300px-Cotton-gin.jpg

[bjb]

Too many clues in this room

(an old seaman's chest full of charts,
where maps are contained and what's left of his brains...)

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[stationmaster]

no

[LSH]

Cotton Jenny.

[LSH]

Working on it John..lots of sea songs to consider here...

WHERE'S MY PRIZE?? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

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[LSH]

Brink, right click the picture, then click on properties at the bottom of the menu that appears. it will show you the URL

[stationmaster]

Don't tell! Now everyone knows the secret!lol
Yes LSH it was a Cotton Gin.
Here is #18
http://pics.rubylane.com/graphics/shops/timemachinecollectibles/5343.1E.jpg

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[LSH]

Well darlin, I haven't resorted to checking URLs as it takes the fun outta it for me. Plus, to be honest, I didn't even think of it until someone else brought it up. heh. I'm not the brightest crayon in the box,eh?

[LSH]

John, Think I have it. My first thought was Sea of Tranquility, but that's not it, just the first song it brought to mind. I realized it's sky, ocean, AND beach.

It's Worth Believing. That one about busted my brain pan. He has too many water songs for that to be easy...
Anyway, that's my best guess...

[stationmaster]

Eh?

[LSH]

SM, not ignoring yours, but I have it, and thought I'd let others guess. We seem to be on close to same time alot,which makes it rather unfair for me to hog them all http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[LSH]

What SM, you don't see it? In the quilt square? It's the shoreline of the sea at night. What other song could it be?

"...is something wrong with you?"

[stationmaster]

Could it be that I'm the fool?

[Borderstone]

Stationmaster:"Old Dan's (or Dance) Records". http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

Okay,I'll let others guess for a bit. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

Yes "B" they are Old Dan's Records. Here is #19
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2683/manincoffeemug.gif

[LSH]

HA! clever! I like that one..

[brink]

Lazy Morning if that isn't it then my next guess would be second cup of coffee.

AHA! I won't use it here but thanks Lauren for the tip!

[stationmaster]

Must be more than Walter and Laurel awake here! C'mon give it a guess... http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[stationmaster]

What is it Brink?

[Station Master]

It's Worth Believing? wow, what a guess! i can't even read that fineprint lyric... is that last quilt one by Boston Barbara? cool

great clue and response if Lazy mornin' is right-o, StatMasta is stepping it up a bit http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
mr. hoot 'n holler

[jj]

It's Worth Believing? wow, what a guess! i can't even read that fineprint lyric... is that last quilt one by Boston Barbara? cool

great clue and response if Lazy mornin' is right-o, StatMasta is stepping it up a bit http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
mr. hoot 'n holler

[brink]

Lazy Morning

[Jenney]

Originally posted by jj:
[b]It's Worth Believing? wow, what a guess! i can't even read that fineprint lyric... is that last quilt one by Boston Barbara? cool



Yep, that's the one that Barbara made Jiminy. It became one of my favorites, as it was so simple, yet conveyed so much. I still "see" some of these quilt squares in my mind when I hear the songs.

I was going to guess Spin Spin for the records, never even thought of ODR.

John, still waiting to hear what a general dogsbody is!
Jenney

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by Jenney:
Originally posted by jj:
[B]It's Worth Believing? wow, what a guess! i can't even read that fineprint lyric... is that last quilt one by Boston Barbara? cool


Yep, that's the one that Barbara made Jiminy. It became one of my favorites, as it was so simple, yet conveyed so much. I still "see" some of these quilt squares in my mind when I hear the songs.

I was going to guess Spin Spin for the records, never even thought of ODR. John, still waiting to hear what a general dogsbody is!
Jenney
sorry Jenney
I should have realised this was not a word in use over here but a quick check at http://www.dictionary.com revealed:-
"pl. dogs·bod·ies Chiefly British Slang. One who does menial work; a drudge."

My concise English dictionary says:-
"a person who carries out menial tasks for others"
Either is a good description of a champion tour guide in my book
Laurel you are too good the first prize will be on its way very shortly and the prize for getting it's worth believing will follow too
The following square is for interest only because jj here put the title on it prominently!!Nice one Jimbo ('ll answer your e-mail soon)
http://johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/square21.jpg
there are a few other less obvious ones yet

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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[stationmaster]

No, the pic is not Lazy Morning!!!

[LSH]

Well, John now that I have my prize, I think I'll let others do the guessing http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
only fair after all. I really like this game! The Worth Believin' square was incredible. They all are. What a talented bunch of people.

sheesh, Jenney, I guess you're the workhorse. Better start delegating. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[brink]

Second cup of coffee? This is getting confusing with two going on at once.

[brink]

Who did the Rock of Ages? It is fantastic. quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:
Originally posted by Jenney:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jj:
[B]It's Worth Believing? wow, what a guess! i can't even read that fineprint lyric... is that last quilt one by Boston Barbara? cool

QUOTE]

Yep, that's the one that Barbara made Jiminy. It became one of my favorites, as it was so simple, yet conveyed so much. I still "see" some of these quilt squares in my mind when I hear the songs.

I was going to guess Spin Spin for the records, never even thought of ODR.

John, still waiting to hear what a general dogsbody is!
Jenney
sorry Jenney
I should have realised this was not a word in use over here but a quick check at http://www.dictionary.com revealed:-
"pl. dogs·bod·ies Chiefly British Slang. One who does menial work; a drudge."

My concise English dictionary says:-
"a person who carries out menial tasks for others"
Either is a good description of a champion tour guide in my book
Laurel you are too good the first prize will be on its way very shortly and the prize for getting it's worth believing will follow too
The following square is for interest only because jj here put the title on it prominently!!Nice one Jimbo ('ll answer your e-mail soon)
http://johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/square21.jpg
there are a few other less obvious ones yet

[stationmaster]

Finally! Yes Brink it is Coffee and yes it is getting confusing... http://www.corfid.com/ubb/confused.gif
Here is #20
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics2/angel3anime.gif

[LSH]

John said jj made it. Nice, huh?

[violet Blue Horse]

If Children Had Wings

[stationmaster]

Good guess Violet! Let's see who can guess #21
http://www.rmstitanichistory.com/yarmouth/yarmouth3.jpg

[Borderstone]

This will either be an astounding correct answer or a complete lesson in humiliation! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Could that be..."A Passing Ship"? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/confused.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif - Borderstone

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[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by Borderstone:
This will either be an astounding correct answer or a complete lesson in humiliation! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Could that be..."A Passing Ship"? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/confused.gif



B you are humiliated a cheating peak at its URL reveals the word Yamouth so this is obviously before the paint was burnt off the funnel!
another quilt square:-
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/square32.jpg
Not hard once you realise as embaressingly did the the quilter rather too late that she had named the wrong continent!!Although think Gord noticed at the unveiling
As you said Laurel you are now ineligible to guess

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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot
(edited to correct the picture URL and to add note for LSH's benefit

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[violet Blue Horse]

Oh that is a cute square! Obvious what that one is. Well, unless you don't know your geography.

[stationmaster]

Those white things are nothing but the ghosts of Cape Horn...

[stationmaster]

Yes John that is indeed the SS Yarmouth Castle before she ignited. Here is #22
http://members.rogers.com/amatniek/lightfoot/canoe.gif

[Auburn Annie]

Canary Yellow Canoe

[stationmaster]

Yes AA it is indeed Gord's famous canoe. Here is #23
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics3/weat012.gif

[LSH]

I'm going to answer this one, since all the upper east coast people and Canadians are gearing up for Idol...*sigh*
Rainy Day People

[stationmaster]

Good guess LSH! I thought that would take a while with all the "rain" songs. Here is #24
http://www.jkersten.topcities.com/hollandpage/canada/albertapic2.jpg

[Auburn Annie]

Looks like "the skyline of Toronto" - Alberta Bound?

[Sidney Freedmen]

Circle Of Steel

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[stationmaster]

You are partially correct AA. It is Alberta Bound but it is the skyline of Calgary, AB
Here is # 25
http://website.lineone.net/~dmerrill/assets/images/Copy_of_triangleMAPnew.jpg

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[Sidney Freedmen]

Triangle

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[stationmaster]

Good guess Sidney. This is not too difficult...yet!
Here is #26
http://agen521.www.ecn.purdue.edu/AGEN521/epadir/wetlands/images/cattail.gif

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by stationmaster:
You are partially correct AA. It is Alberta Bound but it is the skyline of Calgary, AB
Here is # 25
http://website.lineone.net/~dmerrill/assets/images/Copy_of_triangleMAPnew.jpg

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Goly Moses SM despite what the URL says I''ll go for "You're So Square"
I think I prefer the quilt version by Dot (Dorothea Kemp:-
http://johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/square17.jpg
which is absolutely beautiful and one of my favo(u)rites



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starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[stationmaster]

Yes John that is a nice one!

[LSH]

Pussywillows Cattails SM

and John, the quilt square is gorgeous!!
wow!

[stationmaster]

You folks are too smart for me! Here is #27
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics4/bellxsl.gif http://www.smilieland.com/graphics4/bellxsr.gif

[Borderstone]

"Ah....Ring Them Bells ye heathens from the city that dreams" http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

John,I wouldn't know how to peek at the URL and heck,a boat's a boat as far as I'm concerned.

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[stationmaster]

Good guess "B"
Here is #28
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics3/mas44.gif

[Auburn Annie]

Song for a Winter's Night?

[LSH]

I agree with AA on this one.
I can't call you AA anymore. Sounds like part of a 12 step program...just missing an "A" to make it complete...

[Sidney Freedmen]

i also agree with you there Annie, tis' Sopng For A Winter's Night

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[stationmaster]

You are all correct! That was a good guess. Besides, what else could it have been?
Here is #29
http://www.shwildlifeart.com/loon_jpg29021035945251_60.jpg

[Auburn Annie]

Ring Neck Loon

[brink]

SM thanks this is a great post. Keeps me on my toes and cussing cause I know some of them and am too late to guess.


John, I never heard the story of the quilt. Who are these people? Dot? Can you start a thread about the quilt and tell the whole story, there are probably a lot of the new people that don't even know about our "internet couple", it's a story that I could listen to over and over.

[LSH]

Yeah, John, let's hear the story! Do tell. You know you want to...

SM, this IS an awesome thread. So much fun!
Even when I don't respond, I'm guessing. I think we all are. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[stationmaster]

As Gord would say..."ALRIGHT!"
I'm glad you like the post. It's just as much fun for me trying to find appropriate pics and animations. Yes Annie that is indeed the Ringneck Loon. Here is #30
http://chimnissing.ca/bay2.jpg

[Sidney Freedmen]

is it 'Gergian Bay' aka Christian Island

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[stationmaster]

I don't believe it! I didn't think anyone would get that one. This next one goes out to "Elena"
Here is #31
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/wolk05.gif
http://www.animationlibrary.com/Animation11/Everything_Else/Money/Lottery_winner_3.gif



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[joveski]

Rainy Day Women # 12 and 35 http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[jj]

in the early mornin' rain (with a dollar in my hand), lol, good work Statmasta http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

is this the quilt story or just the start?: http://www.corfid.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000016.html

[Sidney Freedmen]

Rainy Day People sung by Jason Greely on Can. Idol.

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[LSH]

Definitely EMR

[stationmaster]

Yes, definitely EMR. That one was for the fallen idol...
Here is #32
http://www.bconnex.net/~jbentley/images/new-8.jpg

[brink]

Couchiching? Spelling???

[stationmaster]

Good guess brink!
Here is #33
http://www.2000-products.com/eng/images/lllogo02.jpg

[Borderstone]

Approaching Lavender? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/confused.gif I only say that because of th purple-ish flowers. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

That's correct Mr.Borderstone
Here is #34
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/pferd3.gif

[LSH]

The Pony Man...but that doesn't look like a man...

[stationmaster]

You know those jockeys...
Here is #35
http://www.gtlemployees.com/bbinge/pics/Kayak/ClCrkAASBC/34.JPG

[LSH]

River of Light

[johnfowles]

Nar it's a "Bend In The Water" surely
Th previous pic may not have looked like a man but to me the pony was remarkably horselike! Oh Well

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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[LSH]

could be, but that's not much of a bend...

[stationmaster]

T'is a bend enough fer me!
Good guess Mr.johnfowles.
Here is #36
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics2/woman41.gif http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/doorBgCLR.gif

[stationmaster]

quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:
Nar it's a "Bend In The Water" surely
Th previous pic may not have looked like a man but to me the pony was remarkably horselike! Oh Well



Critics! lol

[jj]

on char's floor? errr, susan's, lol

[LSH]

OH, lol.
SM, are you taking a stab at Betty Called Me In?

[stationmaster]

Yes LSH I thought I would take The Watchman's challenge! I guess it worked!
Here is #37
http://www.uptowncity.com/Dixie/Quiz/moss.jpg

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[Sidney Freedmen]

is it Home From The Forest?

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[LSH]

It's Spanish Moss, baby. That's all the feathery light green stuff hanging off the tree.

[stationmaster]

Spanish Moss indeed!
Here is #38
http://www.ozarksoft.com/animation/ani/ship_2.gif

[LSH]

I'm just gonna bite my tongue and not guess. Unless no one else is on...?
Come on guys, get temptation outta my way!

[Auburn Annie]

A Passing Ship

[stationmaster]

Yes Annie it certainly is! Did Laurel help you with that one? lol
Here is #39
http://www.ozarksoft.com/animation/ani/p_51d.gif
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics2/ijsbeer5.gif

[LSH]

Flyin' Blind. Oh Jessi Jo
sigh. time to get ready for work tomorrow.

[stationmaster]

Did you have to remind me about work?
"...polar bear on my right."
Here is #40
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/auctioneerdrk.gif

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by stationmaster:
Did you have to remind me about work?
"...polar bear on my right."
Here is #40
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/auctioneerdrk.gif
er Um
"Too Much to Lose???

[brink]

The Auctioneer?

[stationmaster]

"Hey well all right sir, open the gate and let 'em out and walk 'em boys"
The Auctioneer it is...
Here is #41
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics3/schattig2.gif
Let's see how fast y'all guess this one!

[Borderstone]

Baby Step Back! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Ta da!

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by Borderstone:
Baby Step Back! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Ta da!


Nar wWalter you are way too quick that answer is far too obvious it is actually either
Ode To Big Blue or Keepin' on Yearnin'
I have put this great square by Jenney herveryself on another topic
http://johnfowles.org.uk/LIGHTFOOT/square6.jpg



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starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[Borderstone]

Actually John....my first inclination was "Don't Beat Me Down!" http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Then I realized a baby isn't that strong. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[Sidney Freedmen]

i agree with Borderstone. tis' Baby Step Back!

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[LSH]

Of course it's Baby Step Back.

John, I like that quilt square http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif clever. Nice work Jenney.

[stationmaster]

You are all correct! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
Here is #42
http://www.virtuallandmedia.com/flags2-1/canada/NOV.GIF


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[LSH]

boy, you've gotten good at this. I almost feel like playing 20 questions with you before I answer.
Patriot's Dream?

[jj]

farewell to annabel? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

[stationmaster]

No, this was a cover from way back...

[LSH]

A COVER?????? A COVER???
alright, alright...

[jj]

heh, think ya missed the wink, SM
...farewell to nova scotia

[stationmaster]

Yes jj it is!
Here is #43
http://www.netaxs.com/~mhmyers/fingers.GIF
Guess this if you can!

[Sidney Freedmen]

is it 14 Karat Gold?

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[johnfowles]

I think this just might slow down our Laurel a bit!! (at least 6 hours I reckon)
http://www.indycontra.org/Pictures/GMB2003/Golden%20slippers%20of%20Good%20Gravity.jpg

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starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

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[stationmaster]

I know that one...

[Borderstone]

I was going to pick East Of Midnight but then I realized the moon could be out anytime of night. (Yes that's the moon in the pic.)
I also looked at all my GL LP's & CD's and Gordon doesn't have any songs with the word Moon in the title.

Then it hit me! The hand is "C" shaped around what we see as very tiny round moon...or circle! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

So the answer is,
"The Circle Is Small" (I Can See It In Your Eyes)! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

If I'm wrong may I post a message quoting word for word,the lyrics to,"Gilligan's Island Theme! Opening credits & closing. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif (I hope I'm right.) http://www.corfid.com/ubb/eek.gif


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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[LSH]

Hey John, I haven't guessed them all, I don't reply to every one of them, and have missed a few. lol I'm sharing like a good girl http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
Oh, the fun I had with that pic John! Here is some of the hilarity that ran through my mind (before I give my guess), Crossroads (lol, I have a low sense of humor anymore), I'll Do Anything, Anything For Love...oh it just goes on and on.
But I think it may be In My Fashion.
I'm probably wrong,but it's still funny.

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and apparently, I can't spell tonight...

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[jj]

I know that one...

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by LSH:
[B]Hey John, I haven't guessed them all, I don't reply to every one of them, and have missed a few. lol I'm sharing like a good girl http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
Oh, the fun I had with that pic John! Here is some of the hilarity that ran through my mind (before I give my guess), Crossroads (lol, I have a low sense of humor anymore), I'll Do Anything, Anything For Love...oh it just goes on and on.
But I think it may be In My Fashion.
I'm probably wrong,but it's still funny.

[B]
All wrong laurel I'll give you a clue
Play Lightfoot! and listen very carefully to the very first track


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starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[johnfowles]

quote:Originally posted by johnfowles:
[B]
All wrong laurel I'll give you a clue
Play Lightfoot! and listen very carefully to the very first track
OR I could have picked this pic instead
http://www.wtv-zone.com/coplove/Angels/slvrwings.jpg




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http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

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[joveski]

might be rich mans spritual then

[LSH]

Oh yeah, it is.
two golden slippers, two wings of silver, smiling angel....

I was caught in that trap of going for song "titles"...ah well. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
All fun, even if I'm all wrong.

[stationmaster]

Borderstone is correct with "The Circle Is Small" but you can still post Gilligan's Island if you like...
Here is #44
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/aap20016.gif


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[Sidney Freedmen]

uh is it Talking In Your Sleep? no it's not talking. uh.... this is a wild stab in the dark, but is it Sleep Little Jane?

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[LSH]

hey, isn't that monkey supposed to be on somebody's back?

[stationmaster]

No, THAT monkey is gone now!

[Station Master]

well, maybe he is, lsh

hey, i confess i had no idea about RMS
...but it felt good to post that i did http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

it's Always on the Bright Side, right?

how about?:
http://www.membres.lycos.fr/planspouliot/Toute/pics/Olsen%20Twins%203.jpg

ps) great square, jr! what was the song?

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[LSH]

Oh, man! lol. That's little mean, isn't it?

[jj]

mean, naw...but i'm a bad egg, a lil rotten http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

[stationmaster]

Huh? I thought it was "The Gypsy" http://www.corfid.com/ubb/eek.gif

[jj]

dun worry, i thought it was my Saturday Clothes
...whooooops, too much info

[LSH]

heh. Well, that's our John, when he goes obscure, he REALLY goes there.
Are we only people left awake? again?

[stationmaster]

Looks that way! So, what's up with the monkey?

[LSH]

do I have 4-1-1 tattooed on my forehead or something? The monkey, the monkey...
Lazy Morning? I've had a very trying day. I'm unsure...

[LSH]

I take it back and submit Dreamland.

[stationmaster]

Insomnia again?
Better get some sleep or you will have a lazy morning. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[LSH]

ah, well. screw it. Been that kinda day.
It's not quite ten here, I'm going to eat toast for dinner, bitch at the kid for drinking all the milk and see if I can manage to get into bed at a decent hour...
I shoulda stuck with my original guess.
I'm totally losing my touch...

[stationmaster]

OK I'll give you that one to cheer you up.
Here is #45
http://www.cameraart.ca/STOCK2/thumbnails/SHELLFISH.jpg

[LSH]

oh, how sweet http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
I love Shellfish.
Thanks SM. Maybe that's all I needed to get back in the groove.

[brink]

We all need to get to bed, SM I love this topic! Good mental exercise.

[stationmaster]

That's better LSH! This next one will make you feel better...
Here is #46
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/nver26.gif

[brink]

My pony won't go?

[LSH]

My Pony Won't Go

where I want him to go no more...
Night SM, get some sleep

[LSH]

Night brink http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif
tired minds think alike, eh?

[stationmaster]

No he won't! Good guess brink...
Here is #47
http://www.virtuallandmedia.com/img5/miscs/solar.gif

[Borderstone]

East Of Midnight? http://www.corfid.com/ubb/confused.gif I have another guess but I'll save it.

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[Sidney Freedmen]

another wild guess, is it Shadows?

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[johnfowles]

It might be "Message To The (Solar) Wind"
or "A Million Degrees And Getting Warmer"
Or "Mars Bound"??,
"The circle Is Huge"
No judging by the trajectory it's probably "Always On the Bright side"



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My Gordon Lightfoot webring
starts at
http://www.johnfowles.org.uk/lightfoot

[stationmaster]

No, no and no. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Auburn Annie]

Go Go Round?

[stationmaster]

Ah......no!

[LSH]

spin spin

[stationmaster]

Remember, we are doing pics and animations related to TITLES of Gord's songs, not lyrics.
That may help... http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[stationmaster]

Yes LSH it is Spin, Spin
No spiders there........
Here is #48
http://images.animationfactory.com/animations/science/anatomy_biology/brain_reading/brain_reading_sm_wm.gif
oops...

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[LSH]

I'm lost.
The List?

[stationmaster]

I thought you said they were too easy?
Try again...

[LSH]

I've lost my freakin MIND
and IF YOU COULD READ MY MIND you'd know that and not be pissy
sheesh. what is wrong with me?? @&#%$&*!*@%

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[stationmaster]

That's it! You guess better when you are mad...
Here is #49
http://www.all-creatures.org/picb/wfshl-hedgebindweed-11_small.jpg

[LSH]

Morning Glory
what's the story?

[stationmaster]

...will it ever end?
Good guess LSH
Here is #50
http://images.animationfactory.com/animations/people_a_l/artist/woman_paint_sunset/woman_paint_sunset_sm_nwm.gif

[LSH]

Thx. I can't answer this one. I have to let others guess. sigh. They just log on at the wrong time, that's all. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Sidney Freedmen]

yet another stab in the dark, but is it Inspiration Lady? makes sense, doesnt it

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Sidney Freedmen

'Sit Down Young Stranger' and visit The Home Page Of Gordon Lightfoot (http://groups.msn.com/TheHomePageOfGordonLightfoot)

[Borderstone]

I go with "A Painter Passing Through" although it could be both. http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

That was a good stab Sidney!
Here is #51
http://images.animationfactory.com/animations/objects/ribbons/ribbon_black/ribbon_black_sm_wm.gif

[Borderstone]

"Ribbon Of Darkness" over me! Since my true love walked out the door! Tears I've never had before! Ribbon Of Darkness Over Me! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

Good singing "B"
Here is #52
http://images.animationfactory.com/animations/machines/kids_rides/ferris_wheel_spinning/ferris_wheel_spinning_sm_nwm.gif

[Borderstone]

I'm not trying to be a show off and take others turns away but...."Circle Of Steel"! http://www.corfid.com/ubb/cool.gif

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

No, what is that circle of steel?

[LSH]

I can't help myself,
Go Go Round..

[stationmaster]

LOL @ LSH...
Here is #53
http://images.animationfactory.com/animations/religious/christianity/jesus_devil_temptation/jesus_devil_temptation_sm_wm.gif

[Borderstone]

"Heaven Don't Deserve Me"?

[LSH]

You go B http://www.corfid.com/ubb/smile.gif

[stationmaster]

Try again...

[Borderstone]

Gotta be,"Heaven Help The devil" then! (I never capitalize devil by the way.)

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[LSH]

I really shouldn't....
I musn't....
Heaven Help the Devil

without a doubt...now I'm logging off. LOL

[Borderstone]

Stationmaster,since the times posted are the same,does this mean we have our first "tie?"

Not to mention the 1st time in the history of the site of 2 posts at the same time!

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[stationmaster]

That's it! OK one more for tonight...
Here is #54
http://www.smilieland.com/graphics/chuva05.gif

[Borderstone]

My last guess tonight too..."Poor Little Allison?"

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"A knight of the road,going back to a place where he might get warm." ;) - Borderstone

[jj]

lookin' at the rain (& the humidity, yuck)

ps) answer to the pic was 'nous vivons ensemble' but that really belonged in a double jeopardy round, i suppose

[LSH]

Where are you SM? Are you having a "normal" life again??