Quadraphonic Lightfoot Albums

[JeffreyS821]

A few years back I sold two Lightfoot LP's in quad: "Sundown" and "Cold On The Shoulder". Were there any other albums available in this format? Were they available on 8-track tape in quad? I ask this because I still have a quad 8-track player that works!


:D

[gretschviking1967]

A few years back I sold two Lightfoot LP's in quad: "Sundown" and "Cold On The Shoulder". Were there any other albums available in this format? Were they available on 8-track tape in quad? I ask this because I still have a quad 8-track player that works!


:D

[vlmagee]

Those were the only two LPs in quad. And yes, there are 8 track quad tapes; I think the same two albums. When I get energetic I will look because I think I have my box of GL tapes somewhere I can get at it. And no, I don't have an 8 track player, quad or otherwise. FYI, the quad 8 tracks are actively sought after by quad tape collectors, not just GL fans, so they don't come cheap. I don't remember what I paid; probably in the $35 to $50 range. And I don't know if I want to even consider parting with them ... but ... maybe ...

[geodeticman]

Gretsch,
Sorry I can't help on the quadraphonic tapes or LP's, and I'd love to hear both in quad myself.

Have you heard the "audiophile" stereo LP's of Gord's ? In case you still have your quad turntable, I wonder if a stereo needle is available or necessary; I'd assume so.

reason being is I heard my audiophile copy of Sundown on a $30k stereo an old boss of mine has (he is an audiophile....) and by listening to his proclaimed prime example of the difference was Seven Island Suite. First He plyed a Mint condition vinyl LP of SIS on his system that can blow his house off its moorings.

Then, he played SIS off of the audiophile quality copy of Sundown. Roaring out of those 7 foot tall and two feet wide electrostatic speakers that looked like 2001 monoliths, SIS was an incredible listen.

There really is a difference on most audiophile versions, as he said. He said most die-hard audiophile vinyl collectors will buy artists they don't even necessarily like because so few were produced, the snatched any up when they saw them.

And he wasn't even a GL fan ! Despite this character flaw I was sure would lead to his ultimate failure in management ( it did ) he still had bought the GL LP.

I guess point being is if you can get your hands on this quality of LP of Gord's, it might ease the pangs of no quad tapes; collectability notwithstanding. Just wondered if you've heard this version, I think of Gord's music only Sundown was issued this way.

BTW - are the quad versions good enough to warrant ramping-up with used quad equipment if I find it cheap ? I've always wanted to hear it and never have (quadraphonic sound). Your opinion, based on sound enhancement ?

Good luck on your 8-track quest ! - geo Steve

[Jesse Joe]

gretschviking1967, You being a musician must owned a Gretsch guitar?

Call me not up to date, but I dont think I know what you mean by "Quad"?

Where does it say on the tape or LP, that it is in Quad, and why are they so expensive? Im gone a go check my, "Sundown" and "Cold On The Shoulder" LP and 8 track tape. Val I still have my "Old Dan's Record", 8 track tape, that is supposed to be a collectors item, because of one song replacement. Anyone interested out there??

[Jesse Joe]

gretschviking1967, You being a musician must owned a Gretsch guitar?

Call me not up to date, but I dont think I know what you mean by "Quad"?

Where does it say on the tape or LP, that it is in Quad, and why are they so expensive? Im gone a go check my, "Sundown" and "Cold On The Shoulder" LP and 8 track tape. Val I still have my "Old Dan's Record", 8 track tape, that is supposed to be a collectors item, because of one song replacement. Anyone interested out there??

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by geodeticman:

Have you heard the "audiophile" stereo LP's of Gord's ? In case you still have your quad turntable, I wonder if a stereo needle is available or necessary; I'd assume so.

reason being is I heard my audiophile copy of Sundown on a $30k stereo an old boss of mine has (he is an audiophile....) and by listening to his proclaimed prime example of the difference was Seven Island Suite. First He plyed a Mint condition vinyl LP of SIS on his system that can blow his house off its moorings.

Then, he played SIS off of the audiophile quality copy of Sundown. Roaring out of those 7 foot tall and two feet wide electrostatic speakers that looked like 2001 monoliths, SIS was an incredible listen.

- geo Steve there is a MFSL Sundown album on offer at ebay item number:-
140017224357

http://i23.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/fc/9e/43_1.JPG
Presumably the S stands for "Stereo"
No it's part of an acronym Jim for
"Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Fidelity_Sound_Lab)

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by geodeticman:

Have you heard the "audiophile" stereo LP's of Gord's ? In case you still have your quad turntable, I wonder if a stereo needle is available or necessary; I'd assume so.

reason being is I heard my audiophile copy of Sundown on a $30k stereo an old boss of mine has (he is an audiophile....) and by listening to his proclaimed prime example of the difference was Seven Island Suite. First He plyed a Mint condition vinyl LP of SIS on his system that can blow his house off its moorings.

Then, he played SIS off of the audiophile quality copy of Sundown. Roaring out of those 7 foot tall and two feet wide electrostatic speakers that looked like 2001 monoliths, SIS was an incredible listen.

- geo Steve there is a MFSL Sundown album on offer at ebay item number:-
140017224357

http://i23.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/fc/9e/43_1.JPG
Presumably the S stands for "Stereo"
No it's part of an acronym Jim for
"Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Fidelity_Sound_Lab)

[JeffreyS821]

Originally posted by Jesse -Joe:
gretschviking1967, You being a musician must owned a Gretsch guitar?

Call me not up to date, but I dont think I know what you mean by "Quad"?

Where does it say on the tape or LP, that it is in Quad, and why are they so expensive? Im gone a go check my, "Sundown" and "Cold On The Shoulder" LP and 8 track tape. Val I still have my "Old Dan's Record", 8 track tape, that is supposed to be a collectors item, because of one song replacement. Anyone interested out there?? Yes. I own a 1962 Country Club and a 1967 Viking. The latter is my fave (obviously).

"Quad" means "quadraphonic" which is the 1970's version of surround sound. Lightfoot had two albums released in that format. I have seen them online, shops and conventions and they aren't too expensive. I think I paid 5 bucks for both quad LP's. I want to get the 8 track tapes and shall. I just need to go on one of my anthropological expeditions! It is possible to clean up the sound and have all four quad channels transfered to a CD-R and voila! There is the quad mix in all it's 1970's glory!

[gretschviking1967]

Originally posted by Jesse -Joe:
gretschviking1967, You being a musician must owned a Gretsch guitar?

Call me not up to date, but I dont think I know what you mean by "Quad"?

Where does it say on the tape or LP, that it is in Quad, and why are they so expensive? Im gone a go check my, "Sundown" and "Cold On The Shoulder" LP and 8 track tape. Val I still have my "Old Dan's Record", 8 track tape, that is supposed to be a collectors item, because of one song replacement. Anyone interested out there?? Yes. I own a 1962 Country Club and a 1967 Viking. The latter is my fave (obviously).

"Quad" means "quadraphonic" which is the 1970's version of surround sound. Lightfoot had two albums released in that format. I have seen them online, shops and conventions and they aren't too expensive. I think I paid 5 bucks for both quad LP's. I want to get the 8 track tapes and shall. I just need to go on one of my anthropological expeditions! It is possible to clean up the sound and have all four quad channels transfered to a CD-R and voila! There is the quad mix in all it's 1970's glory!

[JeffreyS821]

Originally posted by geodeticman:
Gretsch,
Sorry I can't help on the quadraphonic tapes or LP's, and I'd love to hear both in quad myself.

Have you heard the "audiophile" stereo LP's of Gord's ? In case you still have your quad turntable, I wonder if a stereo needle is available or necessary; I'd assume so.

reason being is I heard my audiophile copy of Sundown on a $30k stereo an old boss of mine has (he is an audiophile....) and by listening to his proclaimed prime example of the difference was Seven Island Suite. First He plyed a Mint condition vinyl LP of SIS on his system that can blow his house off its moorings.

Then, he played SIS off of the audiophile quality copy of Sundown. Roaring out of those 7 foot tall and two feet wide electrostatic speakers that looked like 2001 monoliths, SIS was an incredible listen.

There really is a difference on most audiophile versions, as he said. He said most die-hard audiophile vinyl collectors will buy artists they don't even necessarily like because so few were produced, the snatched any up when they saw them.

And he wasn't even a GL fan ! Despite this character flaw I was sure would lead to his ultimate failure in management ( it did ) he still had bought the GL LP.

I guess point being is if you can get your hands on this quality of LP of Gord's, it might ease the pangs of no quad tapes; collectability notwithstanding. Just wondered if you've heard this version, I think of Gord's music only Sundown was issued this way.

BTW - are the quad versions good enough to warrant ramping-up with used quad equipment if I find it cheap ? I've always wanted to hear it and never have (quadraphonic sound). Your opinion, based on sound enhancement ?

Good luck on your 8-track quest ! - geo Steve I had the audiophile LP's but no quad turn table so all I could get were two channels. I have a quad 8 track player that works. I own many quad tapes. I love those things! The problem with quad LP's is they scratch very easily. I own many in that format and not one of them has stood the test of time well at all.

[gretschviking1967]

Originally posted by geodeticman:
Gretsch,
Sorry I can't help on the quadraphonic tapes or LP's, and I'd love to hear both in quad myself.

Have you heard the "audiophile" stereo LP's of Gord's ? In case you still have your quad turntable, I wonder if a stereo needle is available or necessary; I'd assume so.

reason being is I heard my audiophile copy of Sundown on a $30k stereo an old boss of mine has (he is an audiophile....) and by listening to his proclaimed prime example of the difference was Seven Island Suite. First He plyed a Mint condition vinyl LP of SIS on his system that can blow his house off its moorings.

Then, he played SIS off of the audiophile quality copy of Sundown. Roaring out of those 7 foot tall and two feet wide electrostatic speakers that looked like 2001 monoliths, SIS was an incredible listen.

There really is a difference on most audiophile versions, as he said. He said most die-hard audiophile vinyl collectors will buy artists they don't even necessarily like because so few were produced, the snatched any up when they saw them.

And he wasn't even a GL fan ! Despite this character flaw I was sure would lead to his ultimate failure in management ( it did ) he still had bought the GL LP.

I guess point being is if you can get your hands on this quality of LP of Gord's, it might ease the pangs of no quad tapes; collectability notwithstanding. Just wondered if you've heard this version, I think of Gord's music only Sundown was issued this way.

BTW - are the quad versions good enough to warrant ramping-up with used quad equipment if I find it cheap ? I've always wanted to hear it and never have (quadraphonic sound). Your opinion, based on sound enhancement ?

Good luck on your 8-track quest ! - geo Steve I had the audiophile LP's but no quad turn table so all I could get were two channels. I have a quad 8 track player that works. I own many quad tapes. I love those things! The problem with quad LP's is they scratch very easily. I own many in that format and not one of them has stood the test of time well at all.

[Borderstone]

I just happen to own a Quadrophonic copy of "Sundown" and thanks to those nice young clerks at Zia Records who haven't the foggiest idea what Quadrophonic means....I got it for $1.99!! :D

Yeee-ssss!!! :cool:

have to ask,I haven't played it yet,will it play on a standard (modern) turntable or does it have to be heavier than that?

[BILLW]

I think I can clear up a couple of things. The album photo above of "Sundown" I also own. It's not quad. If it was it would say "Quad" or "Quadraphonic" or "SQ" or "QS" somewhere on the album front. Pictured above is a release from Mobile Fidelity SoundLabs, and is a half-speed mastered version of "Sundown". What that means is simple...when a record is mastered from the actual tapes from the recording studio...the tape is played into a lathe which cuts what is known as a "Mother" disc. The "mother" can't be used to stamp out discs because it would wear down too quickly, so the mother is used to stamp out a few "fathers" which then stamp out the disc that you own. Mobile Fidelity slowed down the tape playing into the lathe by half, and in turn slowed down the cutting lathe by half, therefore getting a cleaner, better defined groove...which led to an improvement in the final sound coming out of your stereo.
Quad records contained four channels of information in the grooves. The signal out of the turntable was fed into either a quad capable receiver or a seperate processor which sent the additional information (music) to the rear channels. There were two different ways to do this one was known as "QS" the other was "SQ". You didn't need a special turntable or stylus (needle) to hear quad, since the receiver or processor did the actual decoding. Mobile Fidelity also tended to use more vinyl in thier records making for a heaver, sturdier disc.
That was opposed to RCA's "Dynaflex" records...do any of you have any John Denver records where you can hold the disc between the palms of your hands and shake it, and it behaves like a piece of paper! Dynaflex records always had a lot of surface noise...the Mobile Fidelity discs were always very quiet...as long as you were careful handling them.

[Rob1956]

I think I can clear up a couple of things. The album photo above of "Sundown" I also own. It's not quad. If it was it would say "Quad" or "Quadraphonic" or "SQ" or "QS" somewhere on the album front. Pictured above is a release from Mobile Fidelity SoundLabs, and is a half-speed mastered version of "Sundown". What that means is simple...when a record is mastered from the actual tapes from the recording studio...the tape is played into a lathe which cuts what is known as a "Mother" disc. The "mother" can't be used to stamp out discs because it would wear down too quickly, so the mother is used to stamp out a few "fathers" which then stamp out the disc that you own. Mobile Fidelity slowed down the tape playing into the lathe by half, and in turn slowed down the cutting lathe by half, therefore getting a cleaner, better defined groove...which led to an improvement in the final sound coming out of your stereo.
Quad records contained four channels of information in the grooves. The signal out of the turntable was fed into either a quad capable receiver or a seperate processor which sent the additional information (music) to the rear channels. There were two different ways to do this one was known as "QS" the other was "SQ". You didn't need a special turntable or stylus (needle) to hear quad, since the receiver or processor did the actual decoding. Mobile Fidelity also tended to use more vinyl in thier records making for a heaver, sturdier disc.
That was opposed to RCA's "Dynaflex" records...do any of you have any John Denver records where you can hold the disc between the palms of your hands and shake it, and it behaves like a piece of paper! Dynaflex records always had a lot of surface noise...the Mobile Fidelity discs were always very quiet...as long as you were careful handling them.

[mercedes]

Thanks Rob.

I was just about to throw in my tuppenceworth to this thread, but you are absolutely correct.

HSMs were / are radically different from "Qauds" both in their intial release price and quality, the latter of which was dependent upon equipment and setup.

Mike

[Jesse Joe]

Great explanation Rob1956. If I would have a Quad disc, and played it on an ordinary stereo. Would there be a problem?

I have a Gordon Lightfoot LP, that when you hold it against the light, you can almost see thru it. You can certainly see the other side. Is this what you meant with the John Denver LP's? or do I have something here, that is rare. The album is Gord's Gold Vol 2...

[Jesse Joe]

Great explanation Rob1956. If I would have a Quad disc, and played it on an ordinary stereo. Would there be a problem?

I have a Gordon Lightfoot LP, that when you hold it against the light, you can almost see thru it. You can certainly see the other side. Is this what you meant with the John Denver LP's? or do I have something here, that is rare. The album is Gord's Gold Vol 2...

[RM]

To all,

I find this a very interesting topic. But being dense, I have some inquiries :

What's the difference between "SQ" and "QS" ?

Would a "surround sound" system of today be able to decode the 4 channels, or are the special receivers mentioned unique in their capabilities ?

Pardon me if the answers to these questions were obvious in the posts.

It seems I have reached the age where one becomes oblivious to the obvious.

RMD

[BILLW]

Jesse-Jo,
There are a lot of records where the thickness of the vinyl is small enough to let some light thru. The thickness in and of itself really does not effect the sound quality, it's the quality of the plastic (vinyl) itself. Is it made with stablizers that help keep the grooves in their proper shape? Are there tiny air bubbles that formed into open pits when the vinyl cooled that lead to lots of ticks and pops. Thicker records, known as having a higher gram weight tend to be made with a slurry of much better quality plastics and additives. With most thinner records it is never proper to play a track more than once in a 24 hour period. Why? Did you know that the friction of a stylus passing thru a groove can be the equivalent of a couple hundred degrees for a few milliseconds...not long of course, but long enough to move the groove out of it's proper shape. Playing it again a few minutes keeps it from going back to it's proper shape. Now, if you read the cardboard inner sleeve of most Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab records, they actually encourage you to play the record often. The vinyl is strong enough and of enough quality to handle it...also any "burrs" left over from the stamping process are actually burnished off with repeated playings. I don't know if MFSL still is in business. But if you have a properly set up turntable and a decent quality stereo system, the finest engineered (both in the studio with the artist and by the guys at MFSL) is Cat Stevens' "Tea for the Tiller Man"...just a magnificent recording.
MFSL also got into the CD manufacturing game. I have Cat's "Teaser and the Firecat" on CD by them.. the side of the disc read by the laser is not the usual aluminum, but 24 karat gold. The theory is that the laser bouncing off the gold returns a higher quality bit-rate to the processor in the player...therefore giving a higher quality data stream. I can't say I hear a difference, because I didn't buy "Teaser" in vinyl,but it is an interesting thought.
RMD,
Back in the 70's I used to know all the differences between SQ and QS, but I just don't remember anymore. Basically, they were two different ways to do the same thing. Pretty similiar, but different enough to let the owners obtain separate patent numbers. Trying not to get too technical...the surround information was not the discreet (completely separate) rear signals you hear today with Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 or DVD-Audio or SACD. The surrounds were
the difference or out of phase information contained in the left and right channels. It's known as left minus right or L-R. It's an ambient
sound, not separate signals, therefore more of a "parlor trick" than the real thing.
If you've purchaed a DVD player recently, it just may be able to play DVD-Audio or SACD. However you need 6 cables coming out of the player into the 6 inputs in a multi channel input receiver: left, center, right, left surround, right surround, subwoofer. The sound quality is far beyond what a CD is able to deliver, since DVD-Audio and SACD is DVD based, therefore can contain far more information than a CD. I recently picked up the first 5 of the Moody Blues albums and it just blows me away.
I was hoping Gord would release some of his stuff on either format, but, alas, in this world of mp3's, iPods, etc...fewer and fewer people care about sound quality. SACD and DVD-Audio is almost dead...it was never marketed correctly and people just didn't respond. However the new DVD formats: HD-DVD and Blu-ray are capable of delevering high resolution audio, so we'll see.
Back to your question, SQ an QS were just very simple out of phase circuits that accomplished the same thing. Back then Sansui was the big quad company...where are they now?

[Rob1956]

Jesse-Jo,
There are a lot of records where the thickness of the vinyl is small enough to let some light thru. The thickness in and of itself really does not effect the sound quality, it's the quality of the plastic (vinyl) itself. Is it made with stablizers that help keep the grooves in their proper shape? Are there tiny air bubbles that formed into open pits when the vinyl cooled that lead to lots of ticks and pops. Thicker records, known as having a higher gram weight tend to be made with a slurry of much better quality plastics and additives. With most thinner records it is never proper to play a track more than once in a 24 hour period. Why? Did you know that the friction of a stylus passing thru a groove can be the equivalent of a couple hundred degrees for a few milliseconds...not long of course, but long enough to move the groove out of it's proper shape. Playing it again a few minutes keeps it from going back to it's proper shape. Now, if you read the cardboard inner sleeve of most Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab records, they actually encourage you to play the record often. The vinyl is strong enough and of enough quality to handle it...also any "burrs" left over from the stamping process are actually burnished off with repeated playings. I don't know if MFSL still is in business. But if you have a properly set up turntable and a decent quality stereo system, the finest engineered (both in the studio with the artist and by the guys at MFSL) is Cat Stevens' "Tea for the Tiller Man"...just a magnificent recording.
MFSL also got into the CD manufacturing game. I have Cat's "Teaser and the Firecat" on CD by them.. the side of the disc read by the laser is not the usual aluminum, but 24 karat gold. The theory is that the laser bouncing off the gold returns a higher quality bit-rate to the processor in the player...therefore giving a higher quality data stream. I can't say I hear a difference, because I didn't buy "Teaser" in vinyl,but it is an interesting thought.
RMD,
Back in the 70's I used to know all the differences between SQ and QS, but I just don't remember anymore. Basically, they were two different ways to do the same thing. Pretty similiar, but different enough to let the owners obtain separate patent numbers. Trying not to get too technical...the surround information was not the discreet (completely separate) rear signals you hear today with Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 or DVD-Audio or SACD. The surrounds were
the difference or out of phase information contained in the left and right channels. It's known as left minus right or L-R. It's an ambient
sound, not separate signals, therefore more of a "parlor trick" than the real thing.
If you've purchaed a DVD player recently, it just may be able to play DVD-Audio or SACD. However you need 6 cables coming out of the player into the 6 inputs in a multi channel input receiver: left, center, right, left surround, right surround, subwoofer. The sound quality is far beyond what a CD is able to deliver, since DVD-Audio and SACD is DVD based, therefore can contain far more information than a CD. I recently picked up the first 5 of the Moody Blues albums and it just blows me away.
I was hoping Gord would release some of his stuff on either format, but, alas, in this world of mp3's, iPods, etc...fewer and fewer people care about sound quality. SACD and DVD-Audio is almost dead...it was never marketed correctly and people just didn't respond. However the new DVD formats: HD-DVD and Blu-ray are capable of delevering high resolution audio, so we'll see.
Back to your question, SQ an QS were just very simple out of phase circuits that accomplished the same thing. Back then Sansui was the big quad company...where are they now?

[BILLW]

Oh, I forgot, playing a quad album on a regular stereo would let you hear just the 2 channel information, the surrounds would just not be decoded. Kind of like hooking up a DVD player to a black and white tv. You could watch the movie, but it'd be in black and white.

[Rob1956]

Oh, I forgot, playing a quad album on a regular stereo would let you hear just the 2 channel information, the surrounds would just not be decoded. Kind of like hooking up a DVD player to a black and white tv. You could watch the movie, but it'd be in black and white.

[Jesse Joe]

You have lots of knowledge, much impressed. I do have "Tea for The Tillerman", in 8 track, and in CD. I just wish that Cat would have never left the music buisness. What a great talent he was.

Thanks for the info Rob, greatly appreciated...Jesse. :)

[ August 12, 2006, 02:17: Message edited by: Jesse -Joe ]

[Jesse Joe]

You have lots of knowledge, much impressed. I do have "Tea for The Tillerman", in 8 track, and in CD. I just wish that Cat would have never left the music buisness. What a great talent he was.

Thanks for the info Rob, greatly appreciated...Jesse. :)

[ August 12, 2006, 02:17: Message edited by: Jesse -Joe ]

[RM]

Rob1956,

Just adding my quick note of thanks for the info.

RMD

[Jesse Joe]

Originally posted by gretschviking1967:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jesse -Joe:
[qb] gretschviking1967, You being a musician must owned a Gretsch guitar?

Yes. I own a 1962 Country Club and a 1967 Viking. The latter is my fave (obviously).

Great Guitars, you are lucky. The Wreck Of The Fizt, must sound good on those...Jesse.

[Jesse Joe]

Originally posted by gretschviking1967:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jesse -Joe:
[qb] gretschviking1967, You being a musician must owned a Gretsch guitar?

Yes. I own a 1962 Country Club and a 1967 Viking. The latter is my fave (obviously).

Great Guitars, you are lucky. The Wreck Of The Fizt, must sound good on those...Jesse.

[mercedes]

Rob,

Interesting comments regarding the Moody Blues album(s). The seemingly limitless effort they invested into the production of their music is still obvious today.

Purely for the ease of listening to their recordings, I bought all of their work on CD and kept the vinyl collection intact. The quality was atrocious .... even my dog left the room.

That was until the "original seven" were remastered and re-released again on CD back (guessing here) back six or seven years ago.

What a difference ....

[Cathy]

Originally posted by Jesse -Joe:
You have lots of knowledge, much impressed. I do have "Tea for The Tillerman", in 8 track, and in CD. I just wish that Cat would have never left the music buisness. What a great talent he was.

Thanks for the info Rob, greatly appreciated...Jesse. :) He still does some concerts, but only songs relating to the Muslim faith. Awhile back, I heard he was thinking about doing some shows with his old hits. Somehow, he got put on the list of people not allowed in the USA. He was labeled a terrorist. Right. I don't have to tell you what I think of that!

[BILLW]

More news: Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) will be releasing his first album of pop songs since 1978
this fall. It's not determined if he will release it under the name CS or YI. People who've heard the tracks say it's very much in the style of "Firecat". It was produced by Rick Nowels, who recently produced albums by Rod Stewart and Dido.

[Rob1956]

More news: Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) will be releasing his first album of pop songs since 1978
this fall. It's not determined if he will release it under the name CS or YI. People who've heard the tracks say it's very much in the style of "Firecat". It was produced by Rick Nowels, who recently produced albums by Rod Stewart and Dido.

[Jesse Joe]

Hopefully that is true Rob. No Cathy you dont have to say another word, you stand exactly where I stand. CAT STEVENS, what a great voice, speaking to a young generation in the 70's

[Jesse Joe]

Hopefully that is true Rob. No Cathy you dont have to say another word, you stand exactly where I stand. CAT STEVENS, what a great voice, speaking to a young generation in the 70's

[BILLW]

catstevens.com/news.html?id=00235

[Rob1956]

catstevens.com/news.html?id=00235

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by Rob1956:
catstevens.com/news.html?id=00235 Oops Rob to make a URL here clickable one has to show it in full comme ca:-
http://catstevens.com/news.html?id=00235
I'll be back to describe a fine surround sound equipped Goodmans amplifier I used for 20 years in the UK.
If I can find the user's manual it has a particularly well written description of how Surround Sound works which I will repeat here
John Fowles

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by Rob1956:
catstevens.com/news.html?id=00235 Oops Rob to make a URL here clickable one has to show it in full comme ca:-
http://catstevens.com/news.html?id=00235
I'll be back to describe a fine surround sound equipped Goodmans amplifier I used for 20 years in the UK.
If I can find the user's manual it has a particularly well written description of how Surround Sound works which I will repeat here
John Fowles

[Borderstone]

It'd be quite ridiculous if (Yusaf) released his CD under anything but Cat Stevens. :rolleyes:

I'm sure he's long past wrestling with that former identity and knows that Yusaf etc. would be a turn off to his most devoted fans and casual listners. ;)

[BILLW]

Borderstone:
I couldn't agree with you more. Cat Stevens is a brand name millions of people know and it would be a mistake to issue the album under YI. He never took the CS name seriously anyway...everyone he knew called him Steve, because his name at birth was Stephen. He took the name Cat because a girl once told him his eyes looked like a cat.
Thanks to all you you Lightheads for letting us go off topic from Gord for a bit. I'll bet Gord has a couple of CS songs he likes. At the very least I bet Gord is aware of what a unique guitarist CS was....

[Rob1956]

Borderstone:
I couldn't agree with you more. Cat Stevens is a brand name millions of people know and it would be a mistake to issue the album under YI. He never took the CS name seriously anyway...everyone he knew called him Steve, because his name at birth was Stephen. He took the name Cat because a girl once told him his eyes looked like a cat.
Thanks to all you you Lightheads for letting us go off topic from Gord for a bit. I'll bet Gord has a couple of CS songs he likes. At the very least I bet Gord is aware of what a unique guitarist CS was....

[Jesse Joe]

Cat Stevens


http://www.votolatino.com.ar/2003/fotos/catstevens.jpg

Usuf Islam


http://www.mystolennation.com/images/site/2004/sb_catdog.jpg


http://www.e-rockworld.com/images/tickets/74-05-13%20Cat%20Stevens.jpg


http://www.newwavephotos.com/Tickets/1976_05_04_CatStevens.jpg


http://images.google.ca/images?q=Cat+Stevens&ndsp=20&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&start=100&sa=N

[ August 13, 2006, 09:59: Message edited by: Jesse -Joe ]

[Jesse Joe]

Cat Stevens


http://www.votolatino.com.ar/2003/fotos/catstevens.jpg

Usuf Islam


http://www.mystolennation.com/images/site/2004/sb_catdog.jpg


http://www.e-rockworld.com/images/tickets/74-05-13%20Cat%20Stevens.jpg


http://www.newwavephotos.com/Tickets/1976_05_04_CatStevens.jpg


http://images.google.ca/images?q=Cat+Stevens&ndsp=20&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&start=100&sa=N

[ August 13, 2006, 09:59: Message edited by: Jesse -Joe ]

[geodeticman]

Re: my Audiophile stereo Sundown LP vs. quads

Maybe one or two thought I meant in my question regarding the Sundwon 1/2 speed master from MFSL that I thought my stereo "Audiophile" copy was quad.

Nope, just wondering if:

* what I knew to be stereo (it says stereo) could be played on a quad turntable ?

* does a quad turntable need a quad-only needle, and can they play stereo records like my Sundown I own John pictured ?

* lastly does anyone think used quad equipment like a quad turntable and amp is worth ramping-up on at a good price ? I do not have quad LP's noteably Sundown... are they worth the trouble
for the sound ?

--- Rob196 cleared these Q's of mine up very nicely. Thanks Rob...

geo Steve

[Andy T.]

Bringing this OLD thread back up because I thought I'd mention that I've not seen any mention here of the unofficial DVD-A copy of the quadraphonic SUNDOWN that was floated around as a torrent file last fall. I got it and it's very good... much better than messing with old noisy quad-8-tracks or problematic quad-CD4-LP equipment. You just need a home theatre player that does surround after you burn the ISO file to a blank DVD, it's encoded into a few different surround formats.

It makes you go through a few steps to get the torrent file I had some trouble myself but figured it out on my second try (first you have to download a "rar" archive, then you need the password to unzip it - it is hidden on the by being black text on black background so you have to highlight it to find it, with that, then you can extract the torrent file.)

To save you from all of this, I changed the extension of the file from .torrent to .txt and it is attached to this post. Download the attachment, rename the extension to .torrent and it should work.

This is the page on that quadraphonic blogspot where this was posted:

http://the-quad-blog.blogspot.com/2011/09/gordon-lightfoot-sundown.html

edit- also, the quad version of this album seems to be fairly well regarded in the quadraphonic community:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?4900-Lightfoot-Gordon-Sundown-CD-4-Q8-QR

Someday maybe COLD ON THE SHOULDER will show up on DVD-A/V as well.

I'd meant to post this a while back but keep getting sidetracked I guess. But posting about a different album on the "cover versions" forum a few minutes ago that's on a different blogspot site, I reminded myself to do mention this as well.


-Andy

[Andy T.]

At long last, I just found that COLD ON THE SHOULDER in quadraphonic just got distributed digitally, in SACD format. Mojave, who also recently posted an SACD version of the DVD-A transfer of SUNDOWN, is the place:

http://mojaveproductions.blog.com/2012/05/03/gordon-lightfoot-cold-on-the-shoulder-sacd-r/

This requires a player that can handle SACD, and many players do not. Many of the releases on mojave later show up in DVDA format on that other site mentioned above, so if you can't do SACD, cross your fingers that it'll show up there sometime.

They did make a mention to forgive them for glitches due to the tape not being in perfect shape. I can't attest to that yet, because I'm still downloading it... it is not a torrent this time. This time it's a split archive on Rapidshare, which is limited on free downloads at 30 kilobytes per second. So it will take a while to download. I just started it myself and won't be done for a while, to get all 6 pieces.

If anyone wants it, click here for a link to the initial info file. Download it and open it up.

https://rapidshare.com/#!download|111p6|165177173|03_05_12_GL_COTS_QR_SiS O.txt|4|R~FE4EA8847D54BAE4ACFF9C5D3C14BB9B|0|0

Inside the text file will be download links for the 6 pieces that make up this compressed RAR file. As well as the password you'll need to extract it.

After you get all 6 downloaded, then you have to extract the RAR file, (7zip or WinRar work good for that) and then you'll need to burn it using Imgburn to a normal blank DVD. Instructions are in the text file.

-Andy


EDIT - it took a while but I finally got it all downloaded and recompiled onto a DVD. The result: awesome.! Worth getting.

[Rob1956]

It's great to re-read these posts from 6 years ago. Yusuf Islam did indeed go on to release 2 albums of pop music in '06 and '09 under the YI name...more correctly just Yusuf. His musical, Moonshadow: The Musical opens May 19 in Melbourne. Gord, of course released "All Live" which I just finished listening to for the first time. I noticed that there was a story on the internet that he didn't want to use any post 2002 recordings because the tracheotomy he had during his health emergency changed the timbre of his voice. That's the first time I've read that Gord acknowledged that some damage was indeed done due to that proceedure. Before, he had said things like "the voice will find its way back". Not exactly true, but I'd rather hear his voice "damaged" than he not being here at all.
If you want to hear surround done right and if you're a Jethro Tull/Ian Anderson fan, I suggest you pick up Ian's Thick As A Brick 2 cd/dvd. There's a 5.1 surround edition of the album included and it's excellent. To be done right, Gord would have to have a great surround engineer come in and remix his albums in surround, not just use the crappy out of phase left minus right pseudo-surround. Maybe that could be his project once he retires from touring.

[BILLW]

Just one note for our beloved moderator: none of the posts in this thread under my member name BILLW are actually mine. That's no problem as they are all nice and well thought out BUT they talk about things that I have no personal knowledge of, never did, never will. I think some other names are wrong too but I can't be certain.

Not a big deal but a curiosity nonetheless,

Bill ;)

[BILLW]

I think I can clear up a couple of things.

Just look at this first sentence from 6 years ago. In all my years on corfid I don't think I've ever "cleared up" anything LOL

Bill :)

[charlene]

I also don't know why the old posts show up twice - once with the original poster and then with another name..it's a mystery to me!
lol
I thought something off when I saw it twice and once with your name attached...lol
Regardless of who posted it I still don't know what the hell to do..
Somebody please send me a copy when you figure it out! lol

[Andy T.]

To be done right, Gord would have to have a great surround engineer come in and remix his albums in surround, not just use the crappy out of phase left minus right pseudo-surround..

I missed this when you posted it a couple of weeks ago.

I certainly hope you don't mean the SUNDOWN and COLD ON THE SHOULDER quadraphonic 4-channel surround mixes are crappy treatments... they certainly are not. They are both quite discrete surround mixes, and I think SUNDOWN is an excellent mix, (some regard it as one of the best 1970s quad albums) and COTS, while not quite as good, is still well done. Far from "crappy out of phase left minus right pseudo-surround"!! Just because it's 4.0 Surround and not 5.1 or more doesn't mean they were poorly done.

-Andy

[Rob1956]

Andy, are you saying that the grooves of an lp can contain 4 discreet channels? I've read for decades that the two sides of a record groove can only handle enough information for two discreet left and right front channels plus the left minus right surround channel, as opposed to a DVD-Audio, SACD, or Blu-ray disc that can do full 5 or 5.1 discreet channels.

[Andy T.]

Well, those quadraphonic transfers to DVD-A and SACD mentioned above, were from discrete Reel to Reel tapes, so those were truly separate 4 channel mixes. (Quad-8 tracks were as well.) If you can play DVD-A and SACD, I totally recommend you get those that I mentioned above.

Also, as for vinyl, Warner Brothers never used the SQ or QS style "matrix" encoding on their LP releases. They used CD-4, which was NOT matrix like you were talking about. CD-4 use the same general technology as is used to broadcast FM-stereo - there is a high-frequency carrier signal on each channel, when used with a proper needle and demodulator, will split left and and right into left front/rear and right front/rear. Granted, the record needs to be in good shape, and you have to have the right equipment to play it, but it works better than matrix.

(and Matrix'ed quad, when handled by modern digital processors set up properly, can be much better than anyone ever dreamed of back in early 1970s - the Dreaming Spires website where the SUNDOWN DVD-Audio version came from, has been setting up a SQ matrix decoder for several years before he "finalized" his software. I've heard a couple of his SQ matrix-decodings converted to DVD-Audio, and they were quite well done)

-Andy