What GL cover art is YOUR favorite ?

[george duglas]

This idea has had some variations and much discussion under other threads with different premises. The difference here is to focus first on the covers, and then, if whomever replies wishes to, the comparisons to the music in the album versus the cover are sought as well.

In a nutshell - what do you think of what's ON the album, and if so, what is the connection to what's IN the album ?

Art for Music's sake. Connections ?

No "valid" justification is necessary in your reply! i.e. your idea need not have a rationalization, as the subject is intrinsically fuzzy stuff, anyway.

I am curious which old LP/old45/CD/DVD-CD cover art is your favourite ! Just cause... is good enough, but any insights to the music are welcome.

Also, if it comes to mind, how did it (cover art)affect your first purchase, or later, listening-while-reading impression of your first GL purchase, or subsequent ?

As suggested already, Cold On the Shoulder is my opener.

It seems noteworthy as it stands out to me as having the appearance of a canvasse oil-painting. Not being an artist myself, I don't know, but I can picture a photo being taken, and an artist re-touching (?) over it to make it a painting so to speak. OR, one he** of a good artist start to finish. If That's the case, WOW !

On the COTS album, Gordon looks classic 70's rough--and-ready (in his own words), the woman behind his right SHOULDER (this tie-in to the name possibility was raised in another thread as well), versus SHOULDER of the road.

While I do not wish to expand here on what is "Cold", and which "Shoulder" here as explained above, which would clearly be unfairly borrowing from another post on COTS and the "shoulder, what's cold," and other aspects that were well covered for that particular album cover, from essentially those two key words point of view in another thread.

Rather, with that thought starting with two words and ALL they could mean on just ONE album cover in a great thread, think of all the other aspects of the cover of that album ALONE. That is inspiring for me to consider cover art in general.

With the COTS cover, what of the candle burning low and long, the woman looking admiringly, the music in progress as evidenced by the scratch sheets on the table ?

And Gordon looks quintessentially mid 70's for him, as on Sundown and Gord's Gold, but is not engaged in being "photographed" or "drawn" by an artist; rather, we seem to be catching him in the middle of "the process" (of writing).

Does that mean we are in fact looking at the man at work for real ? Or are we seeing an artist's conception of the process.

It is so photo-realistic, plus (just guessing) re-touched art over the photo, maybe a combination of all the above, make for a real piece of art in my opinion.

And that's before we even BEGIN to approach his REAL artwork - his music !

The denim and lots of Native-American-Art- appearance silver-and-turqoise (medallions ?) on his shirt are characteristic for COTS,and the cover of Dream Street Rose the most IMHO, and to a lesser extent on Sundown, I think. (for mid 70's)

I bought the album on a lark as maybe my 4th choice I could afford in about '75. The wax candle melting in the Chianti-bottle suggests time spent writing the sheet music scratch notes on the table....

Gordon looks very serious, almost dark and depressed... and yet there are so many bright and cheery songs on the album. And, conversely, so many introspective poetry songs (The Soul Is The Rock), story songs (Cherokee Bend), and just plain FEEL-GOOD songs (Bend In The Water).

Enough of my starter. What of:


Don Quixote cover art ?

Does the photo correspond to the contents ? I'd like to see a Cervantes-based Man of La Mancha theme myself, or something Arthurian.

So what do you think of ANY of his albums' covers, and anything else that ties in to them ?

Your thoughts ? no wrong answer. no vast knowledge necessary. just "works for me, because..."... or "I don't like it because....its a photo taken from the floor, and there is gum on his boot soles..." LOL j/k

BTW - thanks to Florian and Charlene and our leaders who made so much work and change over the last...several hours/days/?.

What album cover and what thoughts I ask you...?

- geo Steve

[ June 30, 2006, 11:04: Message edited by: geodeticman ]

[geodeticman]

This idea has had some variations and much discussion under other threads with different premises. The difference here is to focus first on the covers, and then, if whomever replies wishes to, the comparisons to the music in the album versus the cover are sought as well.

In a nutshell - what do you think of what's ON the album, and if so, what is the connection to what's IN the album ?

Art for Music's sake. Connections ?

No "valid" justification is necessary in your reply! i.e. your idea need not have a rationalization, as the subject is intrinsically fuzzy stuff, anyway.

I am curious which old LP/old45/CD/DVD-CD cover art is your favourite ! Just cause... is good enough, but any insights to the music are welcome.

Also, if it comes to mind, how did it (cover art)affect your first purchase, or later, listening-while-reading impression of your first GL purchase, or subsequent ?

As suggested already, Cold On the Shoulder is my opener.

It seems noteworthy as it stands out to me as having the appearance of a canvasse oil-painting. Not being an artist myself, I don't know, but I can picture a photo being taken, and an artist re-touching (?) over it to make it a painting so to speak. OR, one he** of a good artist start to finish. If That's the case, WOW !

On the COTS album, Gordon looks classic 70's rough--and-ready (in his own words), the woman behind his right SHOULDER (this tie-in to the name possibility was raised in another thread as well), versus SHOULDER of the road.

While I do not wish to expand here on what is "Cold", and which "Shoulder" here as explained above, which would clearly be unfairly borrowing from another post on COTS and the "shoulder, what's cold," and other aspects that were well covered for that particular album cover, from essentially those two key words point of view in another thread.

Rather, with that thought starting with two words and ALL they could mean on just ONE album cover in a great thread, think of all the other aspects of the cover of that album ALONE. That is inspiring for me to consider cover art in general.

With the COTS cover, what of the candle burning low and long, the woman looking admiringly, the music in progress as evidenced by the scratch sheets on the table ?

And Gordon looks quintessentially mid 70's for him, as on Sundown and Gord's Gold, but is not engaged in being "photographed" or "drawn" by an artist; rather, we seem to be catching him in the middle of "the process" (of writing).

Does that mean we are in fact looking at the man at work for real ? Or are we seeing an artist's conception of the process.

It is so photo-realistic, plus (just guessing) re-touched art over the photo, maybe a combination of all the above, make for a real piece of art in my opinion.

And that's before we even BEGIN to approach his REAL artwork - his music !

The denim and lots of Native-American-Art- appearance silver-and-turqoise (medallions ?) on his shirt are characteristic for COTS,and the cover of Dream Street Rose the most IMHO, and to a lesser extent on Sundown, I think. (for mid 70's)

I bought the album on a lark as maybe my 4th choice I could afford in about '75. The wax candle melting in the Chianti-bottle suggests time spent writing the sheet music scratch notes on the table....

Gordon looks very serious, almost dark and depressed... and yet there are so many bright and cheery songs on the album. And, conversely, so many introspective poetry songs (The Soul Is The Rock), story songs (Cherokee Bend), and just plain FEEL-GOOD songs (Bend In The Water).

Enough of my starter. What of:


Don Quixote cover art ?

Does the photo correspond to the contents ? I'd like to see a Cervantes-based Man of La Mancha theme myself, or something Arthurian.

So what do you think of ANY of his albums' covers, and anything else that ties in to them ?

Your thoughts ? no wrong answer. no vast knowledge necessary. just "works for me, because..."... or "I don't like it because....its a photo taken from the floor, and there is gum on his boot soles..." LOL j/k

BTW - thanks to Florian and Charlene and our leaders who made so much work and change over the last...several hours/days/?.

What album cover and what thoughts I ask you...?

- geo Steve

[ June 30, 2006, 11:04: Message edited by: geodeticman ]

[charlene]

I deleted your partial post for you Steve....did you hit SEND too soon?
lol

I love the photo on Don Quixote....

[charlene]

I deleted your partial post for you Steve....did you hit SEND too soon?
lol

I love the photo on Don Quixote....

[geodeticman]

Hi Char...thanks I hope we did not collide in Cyberspace ! see if exiting the thread, re-entering, and see what's changed? 'preciate it

I love the Quixotic photo as well, and have mused over the barrel, wooden pavillion or ...barn? on the DQ album cover. Wouldn't mind having the bread to own a leather shirt like THAT !
Thanks Char..on my oops... should now be good. - geo Steve

[geodeticman]

yup Char thats exactly what happened... fumble fingers strike again...actually one of the left pinky keys on my Windows XP office pro software-based Laptop keyboard assignments MUST have a send function... i KNOW i am not hitting "add reply" below...weird..... and doesn't it really ADD to my thread posting opener ! LOL
thanks again - Steve

[brink-]

I think my favorite would be the Sundown album cover. It is a nice rustic picture, went with the "hippie" era.

Now as far as connections, the songs on the albums are regarding wandering, lack of ties that bind, freedom that isn't necessarily desired. Which of course also goes with the "hippie" era

[ June 30, 2006, 11:38: Message edited by: brink- ]

[charlene]

Steve-daughter Lisa has a laptop with keys close together-lighttouch-little square area instead of mouse...good grief.....it will take me forever to get used to it...my nails are too long for those keys!

Sundown is lovely too-so many great ones....

[charlene]

Steve-daughter Lisa has a laptop with keys close together-lighttouch-little square area instead of mouse...good grief.....it will take me forever to get used to it...my nails are too long for those keys!

Sundown is lovely too-so many great ones....

[geodeticman]

Char & Brink:

major changes made to the opening post by me, finally re-edited (twice !) after my mis-sent first fumble-finger - final copy with new questions et al around 10am MST. Thanks for your sharp eyes Char and thanks to both of you for the posts ! Have a great day - Steve

[Jesse Joe]

Too many great ones to really say one. But if I have too it would be {Don Quixote,} followed closely by {Sundown,} {Gord Golds vol 1,} and {Endless Wire.}





http://cass187.ucsd.edu/~sunspot/don_quixote.jpg


http://www.oldies.com/images/boxart/large/7/075992721127.jpg


http://cass187.ucsd.edu/~sunspot/gords_gold.jpg


http://cass187.ucsd.edu/~sunspot/endless.jpg


I have the Endless Wire one, in a picture frame,on my wall in my stereo TV room. Also a photo of Gord in concert in 1980 for Olympic Tribute, that was sent to me by Early Morning Productions Inc. {Also in my TV stereo room.}

And finally a drawing by Vicky Land, for the Front Page Challenge program. Really proud of that one as MR. Lightfoot autographed it. Him up front, with the Locomotive, and workers behind him.{The Last Spike.} The actual sketched they used for that show, which was taped in, 'Confederation Centre For The Arts,' in Charlottetown PEI. 1989. {also in my room.}


Colonial Advocate.(The Last Spike.)

[ June 30, 2006, 17:09: Message edited by: Jesse -Joe ]

[Jesse Joe]

Too many great ones to really say one. But if I have too it would be {Don Quixote,} followed closely by {Sundown,} {Gord Golds vol 1,} and {Endless Wire.}





http://cass187.ucsd.edu/~sunspot/don_quixote.jpg


http://www.oldies.com/images/boxart/large/7/075992721127.jpg


http://cass187.ucsd.edu/~sunspot/gords_gold.jpg


http://cass187.ucsd.edu/~sunspot/endless.jpg


I have the Endless Wire one, in a picture frame,on my wall in my stereo TV room. Also a photo of Gord in concert in 1980 for Olympic Tribute, that was sent to me by Early Morning Productions Inc. {Also in my TV stereo room.}

And finally a drawing by Vicky Land, for the Front Page Challenge program. Really proud of that one as MR. Lightfoot autographed it. Him up front, with the Locomotive, and workers behind him.{The Last Spike.} The actual sketched they used for that show, which was taped in, 'Confederation Centre For The Arts,' in Charlottetown PEI. 1989. {also in my room.}


Colonial Advocate.(The Last Spike.)

[ June 30, 2006, 17:09: Message edited by: Jesse -Joe ]

[BILLW]

DQ is my favorite cover.

The songs go perfectly with the picture and vice versa. Can't say enough about it. Love it !

Bill :)

[KismetLisa]

Shadows http://www.corfid.com/gl/Albums/Shadows/cd_cover_shadows_150_148.jpg

[Blackberry John]

Shadows http://www.corfid.com/gl/Albums/Shadows/cd_cover_shadows_150_148.jpg

[johnfowles]

I think that COTS is also my number one
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7827/sagaphoto3lh.jpg
closely folowed by TWIF
http://www.gordonlightfoot.com/TheWayIFeel-cover.gif
With Waiting For You probably at the bottom

[johnfowles]

I think that COTS is also my number one
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7827/sagaphoto3lh.jpg
closely folowed by TWIF
http://www.gordonlightfoot.com/TheWayIFeel-cover.gif
With Waiting For You probably at the bottom

[Shutup and Deal, I'm Losin']

http://cass187.ucsd.edu/~sunspot/gords_gold.jpg

This'll be my favorite. I also like APPT.

[Auburn Annie]

For albums, Gord's Gold. "Cover" art - as in magazines? - the Crawdaddy cover.

[Auburn Annie]

For albums, Gord's Gold. "Cover" art - as in magazines? - the Crawdaddy cover.

[Borderstone]

It's sometimes a tough call for the best but the least liked are alwasy a sinch.

Out of all regular studio LPs (1966 debut to Harmony),I definetly agree with the "Don Quixote" cover as the best one.
Although the picture has nothing to do with the song,it's a nice outdoor picture in the country. :) Could have even been used for Sundown,I think.

Secondary to that,I'd go with the cover to Gords Gold 2,even though it's not one of my real LP favorites. It's simply just a really nice picture. :)

3rd (and I'll just go this far) would be Sundown. Again,just a really simplistic and (as mentioned) rustic. I would have preferred a picture on the back as well though. :rolleyes:

Least: The cover of Dream Street Rose. It looks like their trying to disguise how "big" Gordon had gotten at the time by using an animated picture. He also looks like he's in pain or something. :confused:

Then there's "Salute" & "Back Here On Earth". I like flowers but Gord doing the hippie thing and holding one up to his nose? :rolleyes: :D

[Shutup and Deal, I'm Losin']

I didn't like the Salute cover either. He was frowning, and I think so it was because he had bell pausy (forgive the spelling, don't know anything about how it's spelled). The Harmony cover really didn't look so good, either.

[geodeticman]

John - you have your admiring woman in your picture - just like in COTS album you're holding.

I can't help but think of how you two got together and that miracle that saved your life with her help.

You two are fortunate indeed...
- Steve

[geodeticman]

Jessie - thanks for the interesting reply. What if I pick one of the covers you've shown, and see if you agree...

Endless Wire - as you mentioned... but... I think Gord looks somewhat angry on this cover. Remember - not a knowledge-based reply. Just my opinion. I wonder if he was angry ?

On EW, I seem to recall another few photos somewhere that show Gord and his motorcycle that day, I think he was riding out (?) of Vegas. That red leather jacket was somehow significant IMHO of the different tone of EQ compared to say , DQ.

DQ (I do like it, too) looked like a pastoral setting. The green ties into woodlands (and thru the valleys..) so I guess I am seeing more connection to the music than I thought at first.

But on EW - the tie seems to me possibly that the SONG EW seems a bit angry in the lyrics. Very different than say, Tatoo, my favourite song from EW. So different than the cover countenance would suggest. What do you think ?

No answers are wrong here.........at least the opinion parts ;)

Steve

[Boomer]

Great post! I never gave much thought into theme based album cover art for Gords albums. I think I'm going to have to stand'em up against the wall and stare'em down and try to figure them out.

My favorite? Probably DQ or Sundown.

[TC]

Great post! I never gave much thought into theme based album cover art for Gords albums. I think I'm going to have to stand'em up against the wall and stare'em down and try to figure them out.

My favorite? Probably DQ or Sundown.

[Shutup and Deal, I'm Losin']

This is my 2nd favorite. The winking one. :D

http://www.corfid.com/gl/images/glwink.gif

[Jennifer]

Oh, thats easy! If you're a woman you'd have to be blind or dead to not see Gordon was looking pretty darn good when this was taken ;)

[Jennifer]

oops, fast fingers.

that last post would be in response to MistyMoppens pick. I'm with you, Misty - Gords Gold all the way. Great cover.

[GJA]

Gords Gold, hands down. Sexy!!!!!!!!

[GJA]

Gords Gold, hands down. Sexy!!!!!!!!

[Jennifer]

Yes, he is very pleasing to the eye on the Gords Gold cover. I can't help but find myself admiring it from time to time myself :)

[RM]

Ladies, I certainly can't disagree with your choice of Gord's Gold 1. But speaking as a "manly man", I would side with Blackberry John and his choice of "Shadows". I always see a re-emergence in the picture which, to me, is reflected in the music.

RMD

[RM]

Why thank you Misty. I haven't been called "brilliant" since my mother's passing nearly 20 years ago.

Next album cover idea ? Why yes I do have one. The photo is already taken. I doubt that another album will ever surface. But if it does, the album cover will feature a red-eyed wolf blocking the passage through a desert wash. It will be titled "Give it Up", the gist of which is "change your ways".

I am hardly a man of mystery. I'm just a local yokel with the same problems as most.

I still vote for "Shadows".

RMD

[geodeticman]

Misty -
Thats a good point I think about Gord's albums always having pictures of him. Now I'm thinking about other music I like, and sure enough - lotd of favourite albums come to mind,
without the musician's picture.

I could picture an album cover for Gord building on the "Troubador" moniker spoken of him often in his career, particularly when he is being introduced. What if a cover showed a Rennaissance-era theme; just an imaginary setting like you'd see at a festival ?

Sort of Arthurian, A little Quixotic, Maybe even a picture of a Castle in the background, or drawn artwork of same ? Maidens with those "cone-hats" ! Cone heads in Troubador-land !

geo Steve

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by geodeticman:
Misty -
Thats a good point I think about Gord's albums always having pictures of him. Now I'm thinking about other music I like, and sure enough - lotd of favourite albums come to mind,
without the musician's picture.

IWhat if a cover showed a Rennaissance-era theme; just an imaginary setting like you'd see at a festival ?

Sort of Arthurian, A little Quixotic, Maybe even a picture of a Castle in the background, or drawn artwork of same ? Maidens with those "cone-hats" ! Cone heads in Troubador-land !

geo Steve well now you come to mention it there is to my knowledge a singular case of a Lightfoot album being released that does not have a photograph of Gordon on the front cover but instead has one of Geo Steve's imaginary settings.
No not the (name only) Did she Mention My Name United Artists album
the one I am thinking of has a presumably masculine figure on it but whether it is of Gord and more importantly if he would have approved of using it is anyone's guess'
I refer to the 1977 release On the Trade Sevices Label of the switchboard recording of his appearance at the 1976 Montreux Switzerland Jazz Festival on june 26th that year
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9354/montreuxfrontlt8.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9354/montreuxfrontlt8.jpg)
Front Cover
NOTE PLEASE THAT IN RESPONSE TO RECENT CRITICISMS ABOUT DISPLAYING PICTURES I HAVE CAREFULLY USED http://www.imageshack's invaluable facility to store the full sized image and a small quick loading thumbnail as a link.
NOTE imageshack very usefully warns you what physical size each full sized picture is and gives its full size in pixels.This cleverly allows you to make an informed decision on whether to bother to click the thumb to see the full sized version and if you do I strongly suggest you right click on the thumb then select "open in new window". this makes it extremely easy to resume reading this posting as simply closing the new window returns you here.
it's magic folks!!

(all except the last one below which in its original address at:-
http://artwork.easytree.org/artwork/grdl/grdl_1976-06-26_jazz-festival-montreux-switzerland_booklet.jpg
is a whopping 2835 by 1416 pixels and is nearly 2MB.so I resized it to 800 wide then uploaded the far smaller jpg to imageshack
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/134/montreuxbacktm7.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/134/montreuxbacktm7.jpg)
Back Cover
I have never seen the full sized vinyl album cover (if it were ever issued as an LP or just, as here, a modern day CD
NOTE that the back cover contains three glaring errors
1. the year should have been 1976 not 1977
2. track 8 was Don Quixote not Cobwebs And Dust
3. track 11 is not the GL "Jazz Band" performing "Garden rag" but is actually "The Auctioneer"!!
ALSO NOTE that there used to be an official page on line now only viewable on the Internet archive see:-
http://web.archive.org/web/20010727164610/http://www.montreuxsounds.ch/database/1976/337.htm
pity they mispelt the number two singers surname**!!
I have read various criticisms of the that front cover's unnecesarily garish design a candidate for the worst ever album cover art for any artist in my book and at least one person obviously objected to it enough to make his own that I recently found:-
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9016/grdl19760626jazzfestivalmontreuxswitzerlandbooklet ue7.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9016/grdl19760626jazzfestivalmontreuxswitzerlandbooklet ue7.jpg)
**In passing I was reading in either a recently showing corfid topic or was it a Newsgroup thread? various comments about the one time "backing singer"'s "effectiveness"
but nowhere hitherto had I read such a negative comment as this made by berinaidan at 2006-07-12 23:55:43 GMT
as one of 14 comments appended to the current "torrent" listing.
NOTE If anyone wishes to see the original or has no idea what a torrent is please PM me for details and a link or search here for "torrent" because one old posting told all about bit torrent.
Here is what berinaidan had the temerity to say
"Great sound. I really wish there was a way to bury the vocals of that annoying backup vocalist, though!"
John Fowles
Please NOTE:-
Regarding the three thumbnails above
this message has been paid for and brought to you by the CTAFOBDAJFRPD (Comittee To Avoid Further Opprobrium Being Directed At John Fowles Regarding Picture Displaying)

[ July 18, 2006, 14:30: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by geodeticman:
Misty -
Thats a good point I think about Gord's albums always having pictures of him. Now I'm thinking about other music I like, and sure enough - lotd of favourite albums come to mind,
without the musician's picture.

IWhat if a cover showed a Rennaissance-era theme; just an imaginary setting like you'd see at a festival ?

Sort of Arthurian, A little Quixotic, Maybe even a picture of a Castle in the background, or drawn artwork of same ? Maidens with those "cone-hats" ! Cone heads in Troubador-land !

geo Steve well now you come to mention it there is to my knowledge a singular case of a Lightfoot album being released that does not have a photograph of Gordon on the front cover but instead has one of Geo Steve's imaginary settings.
No not the (name only) Did she Mention My Name United Artists album
the one I am thinking of has a presumably masculine figure on it but whether it is of Gord and more importantly if he would have approved of using it is anyone's guess'
I refer to the 1977 release On the Trade Sevices Label of the switchboard recording of his appearance at the 1976 Montreux Switzerland Jazz Festival on june 26th that year
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9354/montreuxfrontlt8.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9354/montreuxfrontlt8.jpg)
Front Cover
NOTE PLEASE THAT IN RESPONSE TO RECENT CRITICISMS ABOUT DISPLAYING PICTURES I HAVE CAREFULLY USED http://www.imageshack's invaluable facility to store the full sized image and a small quick loading thumbnail as a link.
NOTE imageshack very usefully warns you what physical size each full sized picture is and gives its full size in pixels.This cleverly allows you to make an informed decision on whether to bother to click the thumb to see the full sized version and if you do I strongly suggest you right click on the thumb then select "open in new window". this makes it extremely easy to resume reading this posting as simply closing the new window returns you here.
it's magic folks!!

(all except the last one below which in its original address at:-
http://artwork.easytree.org/artwork/grdl/grdl_1976-06-26_jazz-festival-montreux-switzerland_booklet.jpg
is a whopping 2835 by 1416 pixels and is nearly 2MB.so I resized it to 800 wide then uploaded the far smaller jpg to imageshack
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/134/montreuxbacktm7.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/134/montreuxbacktm7.jpg)
Back Cover
I have never seen the full sized vinyl album cover (if it were ever issued as an LP or just, as here, a modern day CD
NOTE that the back cover contains three glaring errors
1. the year should have been 1976 not 1977
2. track 8 was Don Quixote not Cobwebs And Dust
3. track 11 is not the GL "Jazz Band" performing "Garden rag" but is actually "The Auctioneer"!!
ALSO NOTE that there used to be an official page on line now only viewable on the Internet archive see:-
http://web.archive.org/web/20010727164610/http://www.montreuxsounds.ch/database/1976/337.htm
pity they mispelt the number two singers surname**!!
I have read various criticisms of the that front cover's unnecesarily garish design a candidate for the worst ever album cover art for any artist in my book and at least one person obviously objected to it enough to make his own that I recently found:-
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9016/grdl19760626jazzfestivalmontreuxswitzerlandbooklet ue7.th.jpg (http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/9016/grdl19760626jazzfestivalmontreuxswitzerlandbooklet ue7.jpg)
**In passing I was reading in either a recently showing corfid topic or was it a Newsgroup thread? various comments about the one time "backing singer"'s "effectiveness"
but nowhere hitherto had I read such a negative comment as this made by berinaidan at 2006-07-12 23:55:43 GMT
as one of 14 comments appended to the current "torrent" listing.
NOTE If anyone wishes to see the original or has no idea what a torrent is please PM me for details and a link or search here for "torrent" because one old posting told all about bit torrent.
Here is what berinaidan had the temerity to say
"Great sound. I really wish there was a way to bury the vocals of that annoying backup vocalist, though!"
John Fowles
Please NOTE:-
Regarding the three thumbnails above
this message has been paid for and brought to you by the CTAFOBDAJFRPD (Comittee To Avoid Further Opprobrium Being Directed At John Fowles Regarding Picture Displaying)

[ July 18, 2006, 14:30: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[charlene]

John -
A determination/explanation on the subject of pictures posting was made so there's really no need for you to explain/apologize/justify any of your picture postings.
thanks,
Char

;)

[charlene]

John -
A determination/explanation on the subject of pictures posting was made so there's really no need for you to explain/apologize/justify any of your picture postings.
thanks,
Char

;)

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by charlene:
John -
A determination/explanation on the subject of pictures posting was made so there's really no need for you to explain/apologize/justify any of your picture postings.
thanks,
Char
;) OK OK Thank you Char I just thought that the point about thumbnails was very pertinent to the way I presented this piece.Especially when one picture I wanted to display was so large
Meanwhile I have just found the topic where we discussed the question of Rick and Terry being miked up: it was the other "Montreaux" topic at
http://www.corfid.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003951#000006

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by charlene:
John -
A determination/explanation on the subject of pictures posting was made so there's really no need for you to explain/apologize/justify any of your picture postings.
thanks,
Char
;) OK OK Thank you Char I just thought that the point about thumbnails was very pertinent to the way I presented this piece.Especially when one picture I wanted to display was so large
Meanwhile I have just found the topic where we discussed the question of Rick and Terry being miked up: it was the other "Montreaux" topic at
http://www.corfid.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=003951#000006

[funk-a-delic]

Try flippin' the cover photo on yer CD's.
example: HARMONY, 'steada elder on the couch-- young string hands.
Gotta new favorite now?

[L'Anse]

Try flippin' the cover photo on yer CD's.
example: HARMONY, 'steada elder on the couch-- young string hands.
Gotta new favorite now?

[brink-]

I would like to thank the CTAFOBDAJFRPD it has been an hono(u)r.

[ July 18, 2006, 16:54: Message edited by: brink- ]

[funk-a-delic]

Try flippin' the cover photo on yer CD's.
example: HARMONY, 'steada elder on the couch-- young string hands.
Gotta new favourite now?

[L'Anse]

Try flippin' the cover photo on yer CD's.
example: HARMONY, 'steada elder on the couch-- young string hands.
Gotta new favourite now?

[geodeticman]

John,
Thanks for showing me this case, bizarre though it may be, of one CD cover art case without Gord's picture. Moreover, you were kind enough to find one I think you pictured as meeting my imaginary case ! (arthurian, castles,etc)

Holy cow gotta say the thumbnail I blew up and looked at (very nice facility that imageshack) is one of the strangest cases of nightmarish artwork Ive seen.... reminds me of Escher in a way, the female form ( I presume..) coming sideways out of image "up" is rather strange.... not exactly arthurian or Quixotic imagery with castles, fair maidens (with cone hats !) and a troubadour theme.

Tall order. But, only an idle imaginary shot at how a cover might look that carried some of my thoughts that particularly eminate from DQ the song. Knights errant, jousting at windmills, Cervates..

well anyway John thanks for going to the trouble of finding this odd (and shameful) unauthorized artwork you so correctly criticized. I agree, if I understand you correctly, this was NOT an authorized release, and man that picture of the lady inside a Rennaisance-era building lacking proper gravity is indeed strange.

Thanks for the work John, allways thorough and helpful -
Steve

[ July 18, 2006, 12:31: Message edited by: geodeticman ]

[geodeticman]

L'Anse - I agree - some of the "flipside" photo/artwork on Gord's CD's have several times in my mind exceeded the aesthetic quality of the cover itself, or in any event added greatly. Thanks for the reminder !
geo Steve

[johnfowles]

QUOTE]Originally posted by geodeticman:
John,
Thanks for showing me this case, bizarre though it may be, of one CD cover art case without Gord's picture. Moreover, you were kind enough to find one I think you pictured as meeting my imaginary case ! (arthurian, castles,etc
Steve [/QUOTE]
It was no real trouble Steve
I have a keen interest in all GL cover artwork
Yes well I had wanted to hunt down the artwork for a while as part of a project I am working on largely for my own interest
since only a similar small thumbnail is shown by Wayne Francis on his site (in his bootleg section) at:-
http://www.lightfoot.ca/bootlegs.htm
there he just says it is
"Trade Service Rare Recording
Collection (RRC 034)"
and
"Unauthorized live recording from Europe (CD only?). Year is incorrect.
Lightfoot actually played Montreux in 1976."
Gord's sound engineer on duty at that concert'
Richard Harison
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7144/rharrisonvb6.jpg
Richard's picture from the Gord's Gold gatefold
has said that he overmixed Terry & Rick's vocals and as I showed the set list was on the festival site for a while, I have often wondered just how unauthorised it was.
what was truly eerie Steve was that in your eloquent introduction you actually said
"What if a cover showed a Rennaissance-era theme; just an imaginary setting like you'd see at a festival ?
this to me indicated that you might be fully aware of this (Jazz) festival connection
I have just googled for "Trade Service Rare Recording Collection"
and lo and behold another canadian singer/songwriter got almost identical treatment
visit
http://www.leonardcohenlive.com/concerts/setlists/1980s/1985-07-09.htm
where his 1985 Montreux concert has apparently been issued (as another):-
bootleg cd Heart Housed in Thorn-Bush (©1993 Trade Service, Rare Recording Collection, RRC 022
(strange that Leonard's later recording gets an earlier RRC number though!)
yet RRC 044
is per
http://www.aerosmithbootlegs.com/listing.php?show=by_label
an aerosmith bootleg
"Get The Heavenly Lips Off ...
Trade Service Rare Recording Collection / RRC 044
Forest National Theatre - Brussels, Belgium, 10-31-93 Source: FM/TV Broadcast"
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8013/get2520heavenly2520lips2520b750at1.jpg
reduced from the far too large original i found at:-
http://www.aerosmithbootlegs.com/scanned/full/Get%20The%20Heavenly%20Lips%20Of/get%2520heavenly%2520lips%2520B.jpg
Note the same artist's work and layout to GL's Montreux back insert!!
I have also found the front of the Cohen issue but its no hat trick!!
http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bootbush.jpg
I suspect the connection was that all three were pressings of rare European concerts that were broadcast on FM radio
as was another GL concert from Frankfurt in October 28, 1975 (somewhere I have a note from corfid poster Suzi where she quoted the exact venue,Ok I found it it was the Jahrhunderthalle) I actually heard and recorded about 4 tracks from the Frankfurt show sometime possibly in 1981 just before Gord's last ever UK concert in May when the Beeb Beeb Ceeb very kindly broadcast them on their Radio 2 FM station
I was so excited I phoned the BBC in London but all they would tell me was something like "it was from a special album for rdio staions only and not available for retail sale". dammit!
Wayne at
http://www.lightfoot.ca/radioapp.htm
says that the Frankfurt recording was on "GERMAN RADIO - Oct. 29, 1975"
and on the same page states that the BBC broadcast was on "BBC RADIO - London, UK - May 17, 1981"
but I do not know where he got that date from as I failed to note the date of my recording dammit again!!
I wonder if the BBC still have it or if other copies exist? anybvbody got connections at Broadcasting House
Finaly Steve you presumed that the artwork features "the female form"
Funny I have for a long times assumed that the half naked figure was male!!
John
Phew researching and composing that was literalluy a sweat it is over 92 degrees F outside and nearly as hot inside , but our above ground AND heat blanket covered pool is now up to a record 87 so very soon I wil be taking a cooling dip.
I did not help in any way that I could not find an earlier scan jpg of Mr Harrison so I redid it by rescanning to my other desktop as this one does notnhave the scanning software on but then found that this computer's floppy drive is playing very silly buggers so had to resort to saving it on my external USB hard drive (more rushing uop and down the stairs between the two computers)
talk aboot sweat!!
Anyroads very sorry to all of you sweltering in Toronto,New York and Nova Scotia!! And I believe in usually frigid and wet England
Actually my curiosity in this matter was well rewarded (as RMD so perspicaciously commented yesterday in a PM my curiosity keeps me going)

[ August 01, 2006, 10:54: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[johnfowles]

QUOTE]Originally posted by geodeticman:
John,
Thanks for showing me this case, bizarre though it may be, of one CD cover art case without Gord's picture. Moreover, you were kind enough to find one I think you pictured as meeting my imaginary case ! (arthurian, castles,etc
Steve [/QUOTE]
It was no real trouble Steve
I have a keen interest in all GL cover artwork
Yes well I had wanted to hunt down the artwork for a while as part of a project I am working on largely for my own interest
since only a similar small thumbnail is shown by Wayne Francis on his site (in his bootleg section) at:-
http://www.lightfoot.ca/bootlegs.htm
there he just says it is
"Trade Service Rare Recording
Collection (RRC 034)"
and
"Unauthorized live recording from Europe (CD only?). Year is incorrect.
Lightfoot actually played Montreux in 1976."
Gord's sound engineer on duty at that concert'
Richard Harison
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7144/rharrisonvb6.jpg
Richard's picture from the Gord's Gold gatefold
has said that he overmixed Terry & Rick's vocals and as I showed the set list was on the festival site for a while, I have often wondered just how unauthorised it was.
what was truly eerie Steve was that in your eloquent introduction you actually said
"What if a cover showed a Rennaissance-era theme; just an imaginary setting like you'd see at a festival ?
this to me indicated that you might be fully aware of this (Jazz) festival connection
I have just googled for "Trade Service Rare Recording Collection"
and lo and behold another canadian singer/songwriter got almost identical treatment
visit
http://www.leonardcohenlive.com/concerts/setlists/1980s/1985-07-09.htm
where his 1985 Montreux concert has apparently been issued (as another):-
bootleg cd Heart Housed in Thorn-Bush (©1993 Trade Service, Rare Recording Collection, RRC 022
(strange that Leonard's later recording gets an earlier RRC number though!)
yet RRC 044
is per
http://www.aerosmithbootlegs.com/listing.php?show=by_label
an aerosmith bootleg
"Get The Heavenly Lips Off ...
Trade Service Rare Recording Collection / RRC 044
Forest National Theatre - Brussels, Belgium, 10-31-93 Source: FM/TV Broadcast"
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8013/get2520heavenly2520lips2520b750at1.jpg
reduced from the far too large original i found at:-
http://www.aerosmithbootlegs.com/scanned/full/Get%20The%20Heavenly%20Lips%20Of/get%2520heavenly%2520lips%2520B.jpg
Note the same artist's work and layout to GL's Montreux back insert!!
I have also found the front of the Cohen issue but its no hat trick!!
http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/bootbush.jpg
I suspect the connection was that all three were pressings of rare European concerts that were broadcast on FM radio
as was another GL concert from Frankfurt in October 28, 1975 (somewhere I have a note from corfid poster Suzi where she quoted the exact venue,Ok I found it it was the Jahrhunderthalle) I actually heard and recorded about 4 tracks from the Frankfurt show sometime possibly in 1981 just before Gord's last ever UK concert in May when the Beeb Beeb Ceeb very kindly broadcast them on their Radio 2 FM station
I was so excited I phoned the BBC in London but all they would tell me was something like "it was from a special album for rdio staions only and not available for retail sale". dammit!
Wayne at
http://www.lightfoot.ca/radioapp.htm
says that the Frankfurt recording was on "GERMAN RADIO - Oct. 29, 1975"
and on the same page states that the BBC broadcast was on "BBC RADIO - London, UK - May 17, 1981"
but I do not know where he got that date from as I failed to note the date of my recording dammit again!!
I wonder if the BBC still have it or if other copies exist? anybvbody got connections at Broadcasting House
Finaly Steve you presumed that the artwork features "the female form"
Funny I have for a long times assumed that the half naked figure was male!!
John
Phew researching and composing that was literalluy a sweat it is over 92 degrees F outside and nearly as hot inside , but our above ground AND heat blanket covered pool is now up to a record 87 so very soon I wil be taking a cooling dip.
I did not help in any way that I could not find an earlier scan jpg of Mr Harrison so I redid it by rescanning to my other desktop as this one does notnhave the scanning software on but then found that this computer's floppy drive is playing very silly buggers so had to resort to saving it on my external USB hard drive (more rushing uop and down the stairs between the two computers)
talk aboot sweat!!
Anyroads very sorry to all of you sweltering in Toronto,New York and Nova Scotia!! And I believe in usually frigid and wet England
Actually my curiosity in this matter was well rewarded (as RMD so perspicaciously commented yesterday in a PM my curiosity keeps me going)

[ August 01, 2006, 10:54: Message edited by: johnfowles ]

[RM]

Mr. Fowles,

Your mention of Richard Harison prompts this question : I wonder why he doesn't post here, or am I missing something ? His "behind the scenes" contributions at alt.lightfoot are always interesting. Just wondering....

RMD

[Boomer]

I don't post to often but read this site on a daily basis...anyhow, I too have always wondered what happened to Richard Harison?

[TC]

I don't post to often but read this site on a daily basis...anyhow, I too have always wondered what happened to Richard Harison?

[charlene]

I don't know if he was at Massey in May 2005 (probably) but I did see him backstage in Hamilton in Nov.2004.

Don't know much else than that..
anyone else?

[charlene]

I don't know if he was at Massey in May 2005 (probably) but I did see him backstage in Hamilton in Nov.2004.

Don't know much else than that..
anyone else?

[DJ in MJ]

It's been awhile, but he was still on alt.music.lightfoot the last time I checked in there.

[RM]

Just an example of what we may be missing. This is Mr. Harison's response to my query about how the breakout success of "Sundown" affected him :

His response:


Sorry so long in responding...very thought provoking question! I guess when
one is in the middle of it all, one doesn't do a lot of reflecting about
"what was it like before this?" or "how has my life changed since?" As my
friend Roger, whom I have previously quoted in this thread, once said to me,
"Richard, it was a blur, wasn't it?"
The "drastic change in fortunes" went in many directions after IYCRMM and,
especially Sundown.:

1) Gord now had the means (and perhaps now the necessity) to expand the
band -- something he had wanted to do before.
2) Methods of transportation and sound requirements changed significantly
with the more to larger venues 2000 seaters to 16,000 seaters. When I was
first hired by Gord, the two of us used to meet at the office at 7 a.m. and
load his sound system into the back of his station wagon. Then off to the
airport to meet up with Red & Rick. But after Sundown, I had to contract
sound companies and oversee the more complex setups. (Ironically, lighting
requirements did not significantly upsize, except that the addition of Pee
Wee and Barry meant more instruments were needed, but the basic concept
remained the same: subtle and intimate (the way Gord & I liked it)
3) And, yeah, there was more money.
--
All the Best . . .
Richard Harison
"Ron" <measongs...@

[geodeticman]

John, et al:

Man-o-man what a purely imaginary cover artwork thought hath wrought ! Good stuff, serendipidous indeed John the "Festival" coincidence. It was in fact a coincidence ! I was picturing a Rennaisance festival such as I have gone to in Larkspur , Colorado.

As to female/male forms, ROFLMAO I thought I had this one down after 26 yeats of marriage, and a 24 yr old daughter, and, well, exposure in all appropriate settings to both sexes over the years!

You know John, I took another look at that bizarre picture with the naked backside sticking out sideways, and if one scrutinizes the whole person, for further reasons I shall not divulge in good taste, it definately appears female as I thought !

Only PG-13 further evidence being the long red hair, bit-o-curve to the hips, and the artwork "type" resembling a period in art I was shown in an art classs I did not want to attend in College, somewhere several hundred years ago the pervs drew all women this way.

Regarding any fore-knowledge of the Montreaux "Jazz" Festival and the artwork, I had no idea. Only your thorough research for this post my comrade, in truth, right, justice, and the American way !


Err.... I did not mean any harm, I just pictured a cool album with a castle, a Knight In armour on a trusty steed, a fair maiden in a cone-head hat to rescue, and something about "Troubadour" in my mind's eye !

Very interesting stuff you've turned over John by coincidence for this post. Thanks ! Sorry for all the sweat !

Here is the alternative: lately Mitchum clear gel has been saying inane things on its caps like the erudite "if you dropped this open container on the ground, and still used it, [you] are a Mitchum Man" - I sh** you not ! take care and nice cooling dip Sir John,

geo Steve

[Jesse Joe]

Originally posted by johnfowles:
I think that COTS is also my number one
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7827/sagaphoto3lh.jpg
closely folowed by TWIF


John what's wrong with the picture TWIF, it looks like Gordon has got some sort of rash over his left eyebrow. Might be eczema LOL, probably something on the picture.


http://www.gordonlightfoot.com/TheWayIFeel-cover.gif
With Waiting For You probably at the bottom

[Jesse Joe]

Originally posted by johnfowles:
I think that COTS is also my number one
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7827/sagaphoto3lh.jpg
closely folowed by TWIF


John what's wrong with the picture TWIF, it looks like Gordon has got some sort of rash over his left eyebrow. Might be eczema LOL, probably something on the picture.


http://www.gordonlightfoot.com/TheWayIFeel-cover.gif
With Waiting For You probably at the bottom

[GitarGrl]

I'm kind of partial to this one... http://members.myepath.com/rskmjgrossman/ww3.jpg

[zoneranger]

I'm kind of partial to this one... http://members.myepath.com/rskmjgrossman/ww3.jpg

[Jesse Joe]

That's got to be one of your best, Zoneranger. Really like it a lot.

[Jesse Joe]

That's got to be one of your best, Zoneranger. Really like it a lot.

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by TC:
I don't post to often but read this site on a daily basis...anyhow, I too have always wondered what happened to Richard Harison? I hope everybody enjoyed my efforts yesterday not just geo Steve (I certainly had a great time researching it is very satisfying to turn up unexpected items like that Leonard Cohen album),funnily enough after posting my second epistle my mind got to thinking about Richard,who I had the pleasure of chatting to very briefly backstage at Hamilton on the occasion of that tumultuous return to the stage by Gordon in November 2004,and I thought that since I had liberally quoted Richard's words here he should know aboot it so I will myself email him and try to entice him into posting something to either this topic or the one in which Booters "roberto" Dern reported on his purchase of the Montreux CD on Ebay
And we owe especial thanks to RMD for sharing that piece of history/trivia with us,I will tell Richard that his fame continues on corfid!!!
Meanwhile for another piece of Harrison contributed trivia I recommend looking at my Newsgroup posting to an old thread from 2002 at
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.lightfoot/msg/103fc73650dd9f32?hl=en&
regarding the background chanting in "talking in your sleep", what did she say?
I gave three short links in my posting
those links were courtesy of
http://makeashorterlink.com
(that was before I discovered http://www.shorturl.com and http://www.notlong.com both of which allow you to
devise your own snappy link instead of an anonymous unmemorable link like the third one
I quoted:-
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O1CC62D91") (http://makeashorterlink.com/?O1CC62D91)
the first link was to a definitive answer by Richard
the third link is to a thread with the erroneous subject
"The Great Mystery Sound Debate from "Nous Vivons Ensemble"
started way back in 1997 by a misinformed and clearly embarrassed buffoon named "steven m dunbar"!!!
John

[johnfowles]

Originally posted by TC:
I don't post to often but read this site on a daily basis...anyhow, I too have always wondered what happened to Richard Harison? I hope everybody enjoyed my efforts yesterday not just geo Steve (I certainly had a great time researching it is very satisfying to turn up unexpected items like that Leonard Cohen album),funnily enough after posting my second epistle my mind got to thinking about Richard,who I had the pleasure of chatting to very briefly backstage at Hamilton on the occasion of that tumultuous return to the stage by Gordon in November 2004,and I thought that since I had liberally quoted Richard's words here he should know aboot it so I will myself email him and try to entice him into posting something to either this topic or the one in which Booters "roberto" Dern reported on his purchase of the Montreux CD on Ebay
And we owe especial thanks to RMD for sharing that piece of history/trivia with us,I will tell Richard that his fame continues on corfid!!!
Meanwhile for another piece of Harrison contributed trivia I recommend looking at my Newsgroup posting to an old thread from 2002 at
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.lightfoot/msg/103fc73650dd9f32?hl=en&
regarding the background chanting in "talking in your sleep", what did she say?
I gave three short links in my posting
those links were courtesy of
http://makeashorterlink.com
(that was before I discovered http://www.shorturl.com and http://www.notlong.com both of which allow you to
devise your own snappy link instead of an anonymous unmemorable link like the third one
I quoted:-
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O1CC62D91") (http://makeashorterlink.com/?O1CC62D91)
the first link was to a definitive answer by Richard
the third link is to a thread with the erroneous subject
"The Great Mystery Sound Debate from "Nous Vivons Ensemble"
started way back in 1997 by a misinformed and clearly embarrassed buffoon named "steven m dunbar"!!!
John

[RM]

Mr. Fowles,

Those are great memories. I have another mission for you, if you choose to accept it. Who really released the first recording of "Me and Bobby Magee"? . I always heard it was Lightfoot, but other sources say it was Roger Miller. Any information you can extract would be appreciated.

RMD

[johnfowles]

Consider it done RMD
please go to:-
http://www.corfid.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001791
where you wiil find conclusive proof that it was indeed Roger Miller, not Gord or even the late Janis Joplin
Incidentally the 1969 recording I mentioned in which Gord sang the song
"-hour broadcast of Gord's performance at that
summer's Charlottetown (PEI, Canada)"
has subsequently turned up on ebay uk as a pretty fair CD
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8114/charlottetown19696kx.jpg
John Fowles

[johnfowles]

Consider it done RMD
please go to:-
http://www.corfid.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001791
where you wiil find conclusive proof that it was indeed Roger Miller, not Gord or even the late Janis Joplin
Incidentally the 1969 recording I mentioned in which Gord sang the song
"-hour broadcast of Gord's performance at that
summer's Charlottetown (PEI, Canada)"
has subsequently turned up on ebay uk as a pretty fair CD
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8114/charlottetown19696kx.jpg
John Fowles

[RM]

Wow, that was quick.

Thank you very much.

I noticed in the thread that "Iron" remarked that he/she thought the Lightfoot version was the best.
I agree as far as the "sound" of the recording, but every time I hear him pronounce Salinas as "Sa-lie-nas" instead of "Sa-lee-nas", I sort of grimace.

Thanks again,

RMD

[geodeticman]

Mr. Fowles,

uhm... John... I dare ask you are trying to either

A. Discredit my old alt.music.lightfoot posts as you are jealous of the enjoyment expressed by many at the time of them, without explaining I did not "start" the great "sound" thread, in fact it was another famous GL afficianado. I simply posted another thread as an initial tack for fun.....you pooper
or:
B Once again make me look bad, alternating between complimentary posts of me, especially in alt.music, then poking fun at some awfully weird times for me i do notemember well from the head injury. Problem for you is in either case:

I am tough enough. and second - our forum comrades are wiser than that when you bask/praise/bash/praise. You are caught, ID'd, thumprinted, in the hoosegow, and awaiting bail ! So the name is wrong ! don't confuse with facts !......

very funny John, I must warn you though you take a little too much wicked glee in pointing out the slightest errors in those YOU FEEL THREATENED BY, unt how long have you been aben zees feelinks ? for those who do not back up to the start of MY post ( cetainly not the famous GL expert Der...K... (I can't do it, no...) post that started it all as my damaged memory recalls.

The hyperlink only goes to "REPLY" to my thread. depite the mention of it and the name calling of me "buffoon" ? is only unbecoming of you as a gentleman and a scholar being out of context in "cover art",

I shall make matters worse by perpetuating it and posting what the hyperlink does not show. Maybe SOMEBODY will see some humour in it that is not based on belittling one's earnest fellow man: to wit: :)

note: edited for spacing and "little paragraphs"
......hehe j/k :)

my old alt.music.lightfoot post, certainly not the first on "the sound" . hmmph LOL

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To all those whose quest is to discern the sound in "Nous Vivons
Ensemble":
Most common theories are:
A. Beer Can opening
B. Match lighting
I offer the following for your amusement only :)


Well.... I think it is a beverage can having the pull-tab torn off, followed by a quescient quaffing down of the drink with a *gulp* and a
"uenh" sound by Gord coming up for air after the long draw on the beverage.

The question is: what is the beverage ? We should not assume it is a beer. It could be diet pepsi, my favorite. Or, maybe a high-end
soda pop of the day such as Green River lime soda (which has a little bit of "Lightfoot" sound to it, er.. maybe that is Creedence Clearwater revival...).

After all, Gord was makin the big bucks by this point, what with IYCRMM's success and all. The can sounds like older metal pop-cans, with the magnesium alloy in the top for greater rigidity
than the can body ( Roger, are you taking note of the metal strength thing here, I threw it in for your enjoyment..hehe.. ).

It could be a higher-end spirit than beer, too. It could be one of those fancy cocktails-in-a-can, the Club (TM) brand or something. Actually, given the tonal character, resonance, timbre, and pitch, I am led to believe it is:

A sparkling champagne-in-a-can, perhaps an Austi-Spumante (TM,sp?), with the giggling sparkle of Swiss Maidens, blushed yet
pleased by the attention of the rural swains. (Credit to author "Trevanian", of the Eiger Sanction, and his erudite and intrepid agent,
Jonathan Hemlock, whom I believe spoke the above ort in reference to a wine of fine character).

Other noteworth celebrity theories:

1. Sean Connery, in James Bond character: "I think it is an extra-dry vodka martini, shaken, not shhtirred..."

2. Ernest Hemingway: "For Christ's sake, it's a match, burning his finger, while he shivers, cold, in the rain"

3. Carlos Castenada "It is his existential self, actualized from a former life"

4. Sigmund Freud "unt it iz hiz inner-child , seeking hiz mother, in a futile attempt to overcome faulty toilet-training, undt vee see zat he iz makink noises in hopes of gathering attention"

5. Spock: "Captain, sensor scans indicate it is a previously unknown form of energy in this sector of the galaxy. However, without further
empirical data, it would be highly illogical to postulate the origin of the -pfftt- noise. The noise in fact lasts for 0.094567 terran
arc-seconds"

6. John Wayne "Well Pilgrim, I listened, and I listened REAL good, and its one of those damn sasparillas from one of them new-fangled glass
bottles like those dandies have back east..."

7. Dan Quayle "It's potaytoh soda"

8. Rush Limbaugh "the real question here, folks, is not WHAT the noise is, but why the liberals want to spend money once again in a
tax-and-spend frenzy to find out, and then compensate the lazy money-sucking -leaches who claimed disability because they could not
figure it out...."

9. Carl Sagan "It's billions and billions of tiny encapsulated carbon-dioxide bubbles escaping in nature's grand attempt at seeking
the equilibrium that Boyle's Law demands.... nature abhors a vacuum, or in this case a relative vacuum by virtue of pressure
differential....it compels us to ponder the mystery of the universe. Perhaps each bubble is in and of itself a miniature cosmos, with entire
worlds within..."

10. Captain James T. Kirk, of the U.S.S. Enterprise "Bones...what..IS.... this.... sound. We NEED... to KNOW...... the source of the sound. I want ANSWERS, and.. I NEED... them NOW, Mr. "

11. Dr. McCoy: "Damnit Jim , I'm a DOCTOR, not a hospitality and beverage service expert, and I did NOT sign on board this vessel to diagnose what some damn sounds are while my atoms are being scattered around the universe..."

11. President Bill Clinton: "Well I can say this...... I have opened a can similar to this was I was a young college student, in pursuit of
post-graduate fellowship work as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, but I can assure you, I DID NOT DRINK from it."

12. NASA's Mars Pathfinder mission team specialists, in press conference "Well, the reports in the media that make it sound like the
pull-tab failed are not at all true;

in fact, we considered it a great success given that there was almost a 5-second lag between the time we instructed Mr. Lightfoot how to most effectively re-orient, or do a vernier adjustment if you will of his hands, to most efficiently open the can without spilling or purging the can's contents into a -100
degreee Kelvin Martian atmosphere, only to have it sublimate subsequent to instantaneous freezing of the rapid depressurization of
the containment cylinder's and consequential hull integrity breach..

... and the boys at JPL that actually BUILT this defective, or we like to think "successful failure" container, can agree that all things considered, the breach and ensuing reorientation to the rock mode was ultimately a success"


Thought you guys might get a little laugh out of this.. Purely in fun, and all made up of course. Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely unintentional blah blah..... :)

- Steve Dunbar

(all 1997 foolishness of mine) - geo Steve

p.s. thanks John gotta admit I even laughed at my John Waybe, NASA, and Carlo Castenada versions. Course I am biased. Your just jealous and pounced cause you found ONE mistake. All in good fun John... thanks for bringing back this foolishness of mine today. its been a bad day. a birthday gone bad. medical reasons. i was really down til i read your response. thanks

[charlene]

i am beyond confused but have been highly entertained...i think...
;)
char

[charlene]

i am beyond confused but have been highly entertained...i think...
;)
char

[geodeticman]

Note to any readers who were confused by my non-cover art reply on pg 2 to John's non-cover art rcomment about me on pg. 1 of cover art.

It all started at the end of his other wise very interesting and informative post on page 1,where he ends in a reference without bearing to cover art, but another bit of flotsam in his quest to embarrass me from my attempts at humour in 1997 alt,music,lightfoot. he incorrectly thinks i started the great "sound" debate.... to wit: ;)

Per John: pg 1
==================================================
"The Great Mystery Sound Debate from "Nous Vivons Ensemble"
started way back in 1997 by a misinformed and clearly embarrassed buffoon named "steven m dunbar"!!!
-----------------------------------------------------

Clearly my good friend John is scraping the barrel to once again test my humour to see if it will still embarass me nye on 10 years later, from a time I can barely remember!

John this reflects poorly on you!, but I should actually thank you if confused readers actually ,knowing the context albeit incorrect, get a chance to read the pg 2 reply of mine to your pg 1 exhortation quoted above, where I splice in my 1997 post that has I hope some fun to read versions of the great mystery sound debates of mine, as the hyperlink goes to reply's only.

John no worries I am not offended its all in good fun - you rafscallion :) geo steve

[ July 19, 2006, 18:46: Message edited by: geodeticman ]

[DJ in MJ]

Ditto for me, Char...

[geodeticman]

Char and DJB - Does this explanation above make sense of it ? John in fun burned me at end pg 1 and my reply had to be here on pg 2, thereby loosing continuity. Hope that helps. B-day going downhill again. LOL Steve

[geodeticman]

PS - clearly my goofball error if you read the alt.music.lightfoot string in the thread, from old missed contributors in many cases - I meant to say of course CABARET - NOT NOUS VIVONS ENSEMBLE. but further reading will reveal over in alt.music.lightfoot that even the real originator of the "sound" thread thought it was funny... hope it still stands.... thats my best shot at clearing up what got split into 2 pages PLUS the linkto alt.music. phew... Steve

[brink-]

Sorry your birthday wasn't a good one Steve, hope it turns out a bit better this evening.

Even though I am not a member of the newgroup, I remember that conversation on the newgroup. It was too funny. Isn't that where Derek got his nickname?

Happy Birthday anyway Steve.

[charlene]

LOL Steve! tomorrow is another day - celebrate your birthday tomorrow!
Hope you're feeling better.

I've re-read and been just as entertained this time as the first!
lol

[charlene]

LOL Steve! tomorrow is another day - celebrate your birthday tomorrow!
Hope you're feeling better.

I've re-read and been just as entertained this time as the first!
lol

[geodeticman]

Brink, Charlene, & Cathy

Thanks for the kind B-day words. Brink - yupp - it was Derek.... he's always been good natured about it; I just added a new reply/mini-thread in alt.m.gl on the sound for fun back then that John found; glad u y'all liked it. Oh - and we re-scheduled my birthday to a new less cranky-day when I'm not sick.

I'm glad the pg1/John vs pg2/my reply this thread discontinuity got readable finally. John I think was having fun in for thinking he "found" the origin of the "sound" thread of notoriety with my song mislabeling at the top of.... my own reply; logical mis-assumption. But we averaged probably 2 - 3 replies a week like mine he found for awhile which was merciless on Derek; but he had/has a great sense of humour.

I appreciate the B-day well-wishes vey much. Things are looking up now; I'll be canoeing with my daughter (soon to be married), and out to dinner with Merry, Mamie and I, the whole clan.

thanks Steve